taurus judge carbine ????
taurus/rossi is making the judge with an 18.5" barrell. it shoots .410mag and .45LC.
they don't mention .454 casual for the carbine, but they say their new "raging judge" will shoot the casual.
the carbine should be able to shoot the .454, right? (i'm not asking if I SHOULD shoot it ,or whether it will grenade the cylinder, just if it's theoretically possible)[:p]
tom
they don't mention .454 casual for the carbine, but they say their new "raging judge" will shoot the casual.
the carbine should be able to shoot the .454, right? (i'm not asking if I SHOULD shoot it ,or whether it will grenade the cylinder, just if it's theoretically possible)[:p]
tom
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I had one of the Judges awhile back. Taurus isn't stupid they machine a internal flange/shoulder in the chambers preventing any cartridges longer then .45 LC from being chambered. I know this for a fact as I got a fired .460 S & W case from a guy at the range. It wouldn't chamber. 0 -
yup neat but totaly useless 0 -
quote:Originally posted by tplumeri
taurus/rossi is making the judge with an 18.5" barrell. it shoots .410mag and .45LC.
they don't mention .454 casual for the carbine, but they say their new "raging judge" will shoot the casual.
the carbine should be able to shoot the .454, right? (i'm not asking if I SHOULD shoot it ,or whether it will grenade the cylinder, just if it's theoretically possible)[:p]
tom
.454 rounds are designed not to fit into .45LC guns.
If this gun could chamber .454 rounds, Taurus would market it as s .454 gun. I *strongly doubt* it will be able to do that, by design.
Is it "theoretically" possible that you could drill out the chambers to accommodate .454 rounds? Sure.
Would that be a particularly dumb way to blow up the gun and injure yourself? I think so.
Edit: The "Raging Judge" is designed to shoot .454 Casull rounds and its being marketed as such:
http://www.taurususa.com/news-detail.cfm?newsID=37
The Rossi "Circuit judge" RIFLE/carbine is NOT designed to shoot .454 Casull rounds, and I'd be surprised as heck if you could actually load one into this gun:
http://www.rossiusa.com/2010newcatalog/?catalog_page=5
Now, one wonders, exactly, why Taurus is introducing this particular gun under the Rossi brand instead of the Taurus brand.
As a separate issue, personally, I wouldn't buy EITHER one of these things. If I want a .454 revolver, I'll buy one meant for that purpose, rather than a Taurus shotgun/revolver which is likely to be inaccurate as a .454 revolver, and offer poor patterning as a shotgun. If I need shotshells in my .454 revolver, I can either buy or create my own .45LC shotshells, rather than using .410 rounds.
The ,410/.45LC revolving carbine. . .I'll reserve judgement (ha!) on that one until I see how it patterns, but I'm skeptical it will pattern well with shot or shoot accurately with .45LC bullets.0 -
How will cylinder shavings/gas escape be dealt with? Super long stock? 0 -
They put a deflector under the cylinder for the off hand. 0 -
quote:454 rounds are designed not to fit into .45LC guns.
what sparked the question was seeing the new "raging judge" that taurus says WILL fire .454 casull and 45lc, as well as .410.0 -
Tom, you are correct.
The "low power" version that the others are referring to is the "Circuit Judge". Your question concerned the "Raging Judge", which supposedly will handle the .454 Casull.
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thanks neal! you just answered my next question which was what the difference is in the circuit judge.
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quote:Originally posted by beantownshootah
quote:Originally posted by tplumeri
taurus/rossi is making the judge with an 18.5" barrell. it shoots .410mag and .45LC.
they don't mention .454 casual for the carbine, but they say their new "raging judge" will shoot the casual.
the carbine should be able to shoot the .454, right? (i'm not asking if I SHOULD shoot it ,or whether it will grenade the cylinder, just if it's theoretically possible)[:p]
tom
.454 rounds are designed not to fit into .45LC guns.
If this gun could chamber .454 rounds, Taurus would market it as s .454 gun. I *strongly doubt* it will be able to do that, by design.
Is it "theoretically" possible that you could drill out the chambers to accommodate .454 rounds? Sure.
Would that be a particularly dumb way to blow up the gun and injure yourself? I think so.
Edit: The "Raging Judge" is designed to shoot .454 Casull rounds and its being marketed as such:
http://www.taurususa.com/news-detail.cfm?newsID=37
The Rossi "Circuit judge" RIFLE/carbine is NOT designed to shoot .454 Casull rounds, and I'd be surprised as heck if you could actually load one into this gun:
http://www.rossiusa.com/2010newcatalog/?catalog_page=5
Now, one wonders, exactly, why Taurus is introducing this particular gun under the Rossi brand instead of the Taurus brand.
As a separate issue, personally, I wouldn't buy EITHER one of these things. If I want a .454 revolver, I'll buy one meant for that purpose, rather than a Taurus shotgun/revolver which is likely to be inaccurate as a .454 revolver, and offer poor patterning as a shotgun. If I need shotshells in my .454 revolver, I can either buy or create my own .45LC shotshells, rather than using .410 rounds.
The ,410/.45LC revolving carbine. . .I'll reserve judgement (ha!) on that one until I see how it patterns, but I'm skeptical it will pattern well with shot or shoot accurately with .45LC bullets.
Their pistols shoot the 45 Colt very accurately.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ECC
Their pistols shoot the 45 Colt very accurately.
You mean the Taurus judge pistols shoot .45LC accurately?
Per Shooting times, the Judges group about 3" at 25 yards, which is not bad at all, and frankly is a lot better than I'd expect given the exceptionally long barrel-cylinder gap with .45LC ammo.
http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/ST_taurusbigboredblft_200812/index4.html
Still, I'd have to think a Ruger or Freedom arms .454 would be more accurate (plus more reliable, durable, and smoother to operate). If I needed shotshells, I'd try these:
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