Sprague .22-270 cont.
The bullets I have say 270 WIN on the bottom. Can I have some made and how much would it cost?
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Hint, a bullet is the little piece that goes flying out of the muzzle. The cases you have are stamped 270Win, the entire assembly is a cartridge
Without knowing any thing more, what I guess you have is a rifle chambered for a wildcat cartridge that uses 270Win brass as it's basis. The cases have, at least, has been necked down to 22cal. It may have also been shortened, and/or otherwise modified.
Several of the reloading die makers will build you a custom set of dies, coming up with the data will be an entirly different subject.0 -
Thank you sorry about the wrong terminology. So i need to go to a gun smith? 0 -
I would go to a competent Gunsmith first to ascertain that the rifle is safe to fire. Have him visually inspect it, and test fire at least (3) of your loaded cartridges. After you have these fired cartridge cases, send them to the RCBS reloading tool company to have custom reloading dies made. Be prepared for sticker shock, custom reloading dies don't come cheep. 0 -
Thanks allot for the help. 0 -
Whynot
Regards the terminoligy, while others can often figure out what you mean, it starts you out on the wrong foot. Using the proper terms tends to get you the better/correct answers sooner, esp when your dealing with a gunsmith, supplier or die manufacture.
As a side note, welcome both to GB and to the wonderful world of reloading (a wildcat cartridge is, by defination, something that the factory does not make). Put on your thick skin and join in over on the "General" forum, and we'll try to help you out down on the "Reloading" forum also.0 -
Whynot,
I didn't get a chance to reply on your last thread so I thought I'd first tell you what a truly handsome rifle you had handed down to you.
Your Gr.Gr. Grandfather had excellent taste. Even if the round he selected was a bit overkill. But no matter, Those who have 'tested the edges' over the years are the ones providing us with better cartridges today.
What I'm assuming from what you've told us, and so far that's pretty good information to go on, is that this is a .270 case necked down to .22 cal. Since there were three .22 cal's I know of back in that time frame (.223,.224,.228) it would be wise to have the barrel slugged. since you have 16 cartridges you might take a caliper or micrometer and check the diameter of the bullets (at the body). By the pictures you provided, the rifle is either a U.S. Model of 1917 or a Remington Model 30 (the civilian version of the U.S. Model of 1917). That information can be found under the front scope mount, as I see it's been drilled and tapped for Weaver bases.
There isn't a whole lot of information I've been able to find on the .22-270 Sprague. What I can tell you is the .270 case is based off the .30-06 case and your case is necked down from that. It will launch a .22 bullet as fast as they can go. It can probably even tear them apart in flight. So, you will be somewhat limited in how hot they can be loaded. By your questions though I also assume you are not into firearms and specifically "Wildcats" like your (2Gr.) Grandfather was. With the right loads this round can be very accurate. I would assume by the look of the rifle that care was taken with the machining and assembly as well as looks. So that it may shoot as accurately as it looks it could.
Getting dies made for this is going to be a bit on the expensive side. At least compared to what standard dies cost in a store. But, Redding, RCBS, Hornady and Pacific tool & gauge can either make them or make a reamer for them. It'll probably run around $200-$300 to do that. But it's well worth it when you have something like that handed down to you.
-hope that helps
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Forgot to add some links:
http://www.redding-reloading.com
www.rcbs.com
http://www.hornady.com/
http://www.pacifictoolandgauge.com/0 -
Thanks very much. You are right I am not big into firearms but do like to shoot every now and then. If it is in that price range it would be well worth it for me to do. Can't wait will let every one know the out come as soon as I do. 0 -
There was a Thomas Sprague, who worked for Mashburn Arms in Oklahoma City. I don't have time to do the legwork now but if you Google Mashburn Arms you might learn more. 0 -
Isn't that thing, for all practical purposes, a 220 Swift? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Isn't that thing, for all practical purposes, a 220 Swift?
Nope, bigger. A Swift case (based off the 6mm Lee Navy) is Mauser case length or 2 1/4" and .440" in diameter at the base. The .270 case is about 2.5" and bigger around. It's .473" at the base. Capacity of the .220 Swift case is about 50 gr. of water and the .270 case is 63. necked down to .22 I would imagine it might go down to 60 or 61 gr.0 -
Ahhhh, thanks. I always thought a Swift was a '06 case. 0
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