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BowGunHunter .22 for Kids

bperdue21
I was looking also and found that Savage has a couple 22 single shots scaled down called Cubs. Unlike the Chipmunk/Cricket, they don't have the pull pin to get the rifle ready to fire. It also has the accutrigger and a thumbhole stock version. You should be able to pick one up for about $200. I think that thing is a little dangerous myself. Henry makes a synthetic 22 called the Mini, which is a lot nicer than the Cricket, which is junk in my opinion. It has the pull pin, which was the deal killer for me. These were $215 or so.
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  • RCrosby
    Hopelessly old fashioned.
    What's a "pull pin"?
    Sounds like another kind of safety device?
    Never heard the term before.

    tsr,
    Ahh, that kind of "pull pin". I'm familiar with the design having shot several back in the '50's, just never heard the term before and didn't make the obvious connection. Thanks,
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  • tsr1965
    Your question is?

    The rifles that have the manually cocked firing pin are an asset to starting new shooter's. That the gun is unable to be fired as soon as the round is chambered is a BIG safety factor. It insures that there is time the muzzle is able to be pointed in a safe direction before being ready to fire. It is imperative that the younger, or inexperienced shooter's have time to learn muzzle control, not only during instruction beforehand, but also while actually shooting at the range too. This is nothing new, and has been practiced by just about all major manufacturer's.

    The smaller sized rifles, not only blend well for small, new shooter's, but for trapper's, and back country cammper's, that would carry them in a pack, or pack basket. The Cricket, Chipmunk, and Mini, among other's have served many a young, and seasond shooter's alike very well, for their intended purposes. They are not junk by any means, but well thought out. No bells and whistle's(accuatrigger, thumbhole stock, or manual safety lever) to worry about.

    RCrosby,

    The pull pin being referred to is a manually cocked firing pin or striker. Some of the good singleshot bolt actions have a knob on the back of the bolt that has to be pulled back, to compress the firing pin spring.


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  • BowGunHunter
    I am thinking any gun that has a hammer or a secondary cocking mechanism would be great. The round could be loaded and once the muzzle was pointed safely down range, it could be cocked.

    Thanks for all the input. Alot of guns have been mentioned. I need to get out and see them and put my hands on them.

    The savage cub sounds great at 3.3 lbs.
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  • GuvamintCheese
    I like the older Oregun arms Chipmunks with the Walnut stock.

    http://www.GunBroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=159159543
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  • tsr1965
    quote:Originally posted by BowGunHunter
    I am thinking any gun that has a hammer or a secondary cocking mechanism would be great. The round could be loaded and once the muzzle was pointed safely down range, it could be cocked.

    Thanks for all the input. Alot of guns have been mentioned. I need to get out and see them and put my hands on them.

    The savage cub sounds great at 3.3 lbs.


    I would stay away from the lever action's, and older pump actions with an external hammer. When the action is cycled, the rifle is live with the hammer back. To then make it safe, the hammer has to be lowered to the safe posistion with a live round in the chamber. That is where most accidental discharges' happen with those type of firearm.

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  • bperdue21
    I didn't have a question. BowGunHunter was looking for a 22 for his kid and the original thread was locked. The Cricket has some plastic in it and when compared to all the rest would be the junkiest. I never said the others were junk. I really don't see the accutrigger or manual safety lever as bells and whistles. The accutrigger is about the best factory trigger out there right now and most every gun that the child will use in his life will have a manual safety on it. If you are there with your kid like you should be, how is the pull pin making anything safer? You should be there instructing your child what to do and probably sitting in there with him for the first few shots until they start to get the hang of it anyway. I don't see where you are going to have more muzzle control with the pull pin than with the manual safety, especially with a parent hawking over them the whole time. The dealer and I talked about it and he felt the pull pin was not the best option either. I originally was looking at the Henry, which would have made him more money, and he recommended the savage. I own a chipmunk, but my son will be getting the savage. Oh, and the savage will probably shoot better too.
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  • tsr1965
    quote:Originally posted by bperdue21
    I didn't have a question. BowGunHunter was looking for a 22 for his kid and the original thread was locked. The Cricket has some plastic in it and when compared to all the rest would be the junkiest. I never said the others were junk. I really don't see the accutrigger or manual safety lever as bells and whistles. The accutrigger is about the best factory trigger out there right now and most every gun that the child will use in his life will have a manual safety on it. If you are there with your kid like you should be, how is the pull pin making anything safer? You should be there instructing your child what to do and probably sitting in there with him for the first few shots until they start to get the hang of it anyway. I don't see where you are going to have more muzzle control with the pull pin than with the manual safety, especially with a parent hawking over them the whole time. The dealer and I talked about it and he felt the pull pin was not the best option either. I originally was looking at the Henry, which would have made him more money, and he recommended the savage. I own a chipmunk, but my son will be getting the savage. Oh, and the savage will probably shoot better too.


    I was just giving my take on it not only as a firearms user, but as a hunter safety instructor, and gunsmith. I have friends whose 5 and 6 year olds, are safer than most adults who are complacent. I also have 20 years experience behind me as a FFL dealer. One of my friends 8 year old, killed his first deer last year at 8 years old with a 243, and he has been shooting since he was 4. A lot of it has to do with the maturity level of the student, and/or the instructor or parent. I have seen a lot of parents who need as much instruction as the child. So I do have experience behind it, not just what my dealer told me. The pull pin makes it safer, as that is the last thing you HAVE to do to make that gun fire before pulling the trigger, and you can do it with the sights on the target. It is not like a safety leveer that may or may not get returned to the safety posistion.

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    Like I said in my first post, exposed hammer's, and un experienced shooter's, or complacent ones is where accidental discharges happen. They happen when letting the hammer down. There is a right way and a wrong way to let a hammer down. The wrong way is to put your thumb on the hammer and pull the trigger. The correct way is to put your thumb on the hammer, and pull it back off the sear, then pull the trigger. That the hammer does not get arunning start at your thumb. That is why un experienced shooter's and hammer guns are a no no.

    I am not about to get further into a pissing contest with you. You may do what you wish with your children. All I would ask is that you refrain from giving expert advice that can get someone elses child hurt...advice that you are in no way expert based.

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  • bperdue21
    I had my opinion formed before I even said anything to the dealer. I had told the dealer I didn't like it because I didn't think it was safe and he concurred with me for the same reasons. The kid can let slip of the pin and it can go off. Not to mention, if the kid is going to do any hunting with it at all, the pin has to be released if it is pulled and a shot isn't taken. That was your reason for not using an exposed hammer. I have been hunting since I was six and have been shooting since I was four, so I guess I don't know anything. I have been there, with the chipmunk, not only on the range, but in the field. Safety is going to depend on the user, not the gun itself. If I really felt that my kid couldn't be safe with the savage, he wouldn't be getting anything. That is coming from a parent who does whatever he can to make sure his kid is safe.

    Yes, suggesting a different gun than you prefer is definitely going to get a kid hurt. Savage should take it off the market today, since they are in the business of making firearms especially to hurt kids. Those people at Savage have no idea what they are doing making such a dangerous firearm for young, inexperienced shooters. Thank you for your EXPERT opinion.
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