1851 Springfield H S Crump No9
Heres another I have some questions on, its marked on the side with the hammer (Eagle) US SPRINGFIELD 1851 and on the opposite side is marked H.S.CRUMP No.9
Missing its ramrod and has an old crack repaired in the stock at the hand grip, otherwise complete, somewhat pitted metal.
Now this would best be listed as say, "1851 Springfield Muzzleloader, H S Crump No.9" ?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions!...Al
Missing its ramrod and has an old crack repaired in the stock at the hand grip, otherwise complete, somewhat pitted metal.
Now this would best be listed as say, "1851 Springfield Muzzleloader, H S Crump No.9" ?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions!...Al
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It appears to be a US Model 1842 .69 caliber musket produced at the Springfield Armory from 1844-1855. The engraving would have been done privately and may have indicated either the current or subsequent owner, but probably the former. It has nothing to do with factory production. These muskets saw service in the Mexican and Civil Wars.
A check of the Civil War data base shows 10 Union and 15 Confederate soldiers with the name of "Henry Crump", but one of them was a member of the 9th Mississippi Infantry Regiment. However, that does not mean your musket had any connection to him without further research.0 -
Hi Spider & thanks for the info!
This morning I received a reply from an inquiry, the gentleman I inquired to referred me to the Springfield Armory catalog, specifically catalog number SPAR 1122
here is the link:
http://tinyurl.com/yeultjb
He belives it to be a U S Musket model 1851 Cadet percussion .57 caliber, the info states only 4000 made, the markings are correct, the overall length is 55", the barrell length is 40". The caliber as close as I can measure it without super accurate tools is 11/16" or approx 17 1/2 MM. This one is a smooth bore I see no rifleing in the barrell altho I note it states:
"...Exhibit label: "MODEL 1851 CADET MUSKET .57 caliber. 1851-1853 4,000 made. A thousand of these muskets were returned to the Armory in 1857 to have their bores rifled and to have long range rear sights installed."
I tried researching the records of cadets at west point during that time period but no luck getting in as of yet, but the records apparently DO exist. It would be very interesting to find a H S Crump listed there!
The stock looks to have a very old repair at the hand grip, broken then pinned, may be that is why it was taken out of service?
LOL, my research has only turned up more questions!
What is your opinion (or anyone else for that matter, all opinions welcome!)
Regards, Al Parker0 -
quote:Originally posted by diggerdirect
Hi Spider & thanks for the info!
This morning I received a reply from an inquiry, the gentleman I inquired to referred me to the Springfield Armory catalog, specifically catalog number SPAR 1122
here is the link:
http://tinyurl.com/yeultjb
He belives it to be a U S Musket model 1851 Cadet percussion .57 caliber, the info states only 4000 made, the markings are correct, the overall length is 55", the barrell length is 40". The caliber as close as I can measure it without super accurate tools is 11/16" or approx 17 1/2 MM. This one is a smooth bore I see no rifleing in the barrell altho I note it states:
"...Exhibit label: "MODEL 1851 CADET MUSKET .57 caliber. 1851-1853 4,000 made. A thousand of these muskets were returned to the Armory in 1857 to have their bores rifled and to have long range rear sights installed."
I tried researching the records of cadets at west point during that time period but no luck getting in as of yet, but the records apparently DO exist. It would be very interesting to find a H S Crump listed there!
The stock looks to have a very old repair at the hand grip, broken then pinned, may be that is why it was taken out of service?
LOL, my research has only turned up more questions!
What is your opinion (or anyone else for that matter, all opinions welcome!)
Regards, Al Parker
Hi, Al - It is possibly a cadet model but you didn't provide the measurements in your earlier post nor did I see any evidence of a long range rear sight. Does it have one or any indication that it once had one? Also, 11/16 would equate to a .69 caliber as a .57 caliber would be closer to 9/16.
If it is a cadet model, it was more likely sent to VMI (Virginia Military Institute) as part of a 300 gun shipment ordered by President Zachary Taylor in 1851. It would be worth contacting their historian to see if they have any record of Mr. Crump as it could indicate Confederate usage.0
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