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Another Antique I.D.? Flobart Revolver?

FLL-MIA
Thank you for the last one. This too came back with my Grandfather from WWII. Any Ideas? It seems to be missing a cover on the right side of the cylinder. I have the spring which was broken into pieces. Would anybody know if there is a way to get a new spring?

Thanks again in advance!

http://s819.photobucket.com/albums/zz112/FLL-MIA/
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  • rufe-snow
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    It's a Belgian made, personal protection, pocket revolver probably dating from the late 19th or early 20th Centuries. These were made in great quantity by a number of different manufacturers. Most likely it's a centerfire rather then a rimfire like the Flobert. There is little collector interest/demand/value for them in the States.
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  • 11b6r
    agree with Rufe. The scalloped cylinder flutes are typical Belgian- caliber is POSSIBLY .22 Velo-Dog, a center fire .22 With regard to the spring, a competent gunsmith can bend one for you from spring stock.
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  • hrf
    It's not a Velo-Dog, which have noticeably longer cylinders. Some were made in 6.35mm (.25 Auto) caliber. To date it a bit, look for the ELG in an oval Liege, Belgium proofmark, probably on the rear cylinder face between two chambers: If there's no crown atop the oval, it was made before 1893 and is a legal antique in USA. But if the crown is there, made 1893 to WW-1.
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  • FLL-MIA
    The only markings I could find on it are on the barrel and the frame just behind the barrel. On the frame is the letter M with a small star above it. And on the barrel is a sequence I'll try to describe but their is a picture of it on the photobucket link. The letter R with a crown above it, then the letter M with the star above it like on the frame. There is a number 23 on the frame by the grip and I couldn't make out one other stamp on the grip area.

    HRF-
    What did you mean by when you said "it was made before 1893 and is a legal antique in USA. But if the crown is there, made 1893 to WW-1." Are there legality issues with some GI bringbacks?
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  • vicg1
    quote:Originally posted by FLL-MIA


    HRF-
    What did you mean by when you said "it was made before 1893 and is a legal antique in USA. But if the crown is there, made 1893 to WW-1." Are there legality issues with some GI bringbacks?


    I think he is pointing out that if 1893 or prior it is considered an antique and the laws concerning its sale, posession, etc will be different than a "modern" firearm made after that date...
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  • rufe-snow
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    The "Star over M" are a specific Belgian inspectors proof mark. The "Crown over R" is a proof mark used for high pressure proof loads in revolvers.

    The Liege Proof Mark with or with out Crown will be on the rear face of the cylinder.
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  • hrf
    quote:Originally posted by vicg1
    quote:Originally posted by FLL-MIA


    HRF-
    What did you mean by when you said "it was made before 1893 and is a legal antique in USA. But if the crown is there, made 1893 to WW-1." Are there legality issues with some GI bringbacks?


    I think he is pointing out that if 1893 or prior it is considered an antique and the laws concerning its sale, posession, etc will be different than a "modern" firearm made after that date...

    To be specific, the USA cutoff to be antique is pre-1899, so even with the crown it could be antique, but no way to confirm it. Remove the cylinder or rotate it to look at rear of same for the ELG mark. But more than likely, this one is post-1892.
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