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1893/1933 Turk Mauser?

PEZHEAD265
Is the Turk the exception of the rule?It is a large ring,right or wrong?
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  • richbug
    The 7.65mm 1893 Turks and the 8mm conversions are all small ring.
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  • PEZHEAD265
    quote:Originally posted by richbug
    The 7.65mm 1893 Turks and the 8mm conversions are all small ring.


    Why does it look bigger then my other mauser?Is it a sm ring long action?Here is a pic of it.This is for info only not a plug.
    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=158663900
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  • swearengine
    It has small ring threads.
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  • richbug
    quote:Originally posted by PEZHEAD265
    quote:Originally posted by richbug
    The 7.65mm 1893 Turks and the 8mm conversions are all small ring.


    Why does it look bigger then my other mauser?Is it a sm ring long action?Here is a pic of it.This is for info only not a plug.
    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=158663900


    Not to be critical, but your pictures suck. It has some 93 features(floorplate, bolt shroud, bolt release/ejector). A clear picture of the left side front of the receiver will tell the tale. there should be some characters there resembling backwards "7"s.

    All 1893 Turks were made in 1895 or 1896. As such they are antiques.
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  • allen griggs
    I hate to join in on beating you up, but those close ups are not good photos.
    Do you have a camera with the macro feature?

    Good close up pics are essential to selling a gun online.
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  • cussedemgun
    PEZHEAD265,

    "is it" is where you have strayed from the facts.

    The Turkish mauser is a study all it's own because of the various models & sub-models all later arsenal reworked to 'similar' spec's.

    check out www.turkmauser.com/largeRingSmallRing.aspx
    & www.turkmauser.com/models.aspx
    Hopefully this article will help to clear up some confusion, I know it explains their idiosyncrasies better than I can.

    Jim
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  • jonk
    The turks had what they called large ring, small shank recievers.

    Small ring barrel threads in other words.

    But they also had some small ring and large ring guns outright.
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  • PEZHEAD265
    quote:Originally posted by jonk
    The turks had what they called large ring, small shank recievers.

    Small ring barrel threads in other words.

    But they also had some small ring and large ring guns outright.


    [besides my pics suck]

    I can't get his web page to load.If you google turkmian it says that the difference is there is a 3/16 shoulder and if that is ground off it is the same as 98[K-Kale].Is this what you guys are talking about? [small ring threads]
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  • nononsense
    From TurkMauser:

    "Large Ring/Small Ring

    All Mauser receivers made before the model of 1898 are considered small ring receivers. This is because the model of 98 had a larger receiver ring. The receiver ring being the front of the receiver where the barrel is screwed into the receiver. A small ring receiver is typically 1.300 inches in diameter. Small ring receivers almost always take a small shank barrel. There are very few Small Ring-Large Shank receivers.
    Large Ring Receivers

    Almost (except G33/40, K98a and a few others) all Mausers made from the model of 1898 onward had a large ring receiver, approximately 1.410 inches in diameter. There were several other features that came out at the same time as the larger ring, like the third safety lug, cock on opening and the gas escape features. Originally, the large ring receivers were designed to take a larger shank barrel. However, the Ottomans and Turks had large ring receivers made to accept small shank barrels. This was probably done to in an attempt to maintain part commonality with their older rifles. As it turned out, almost all their rifles were to be rebarreled shortly and it probably would have been easier to stick with the basic Mauser design than to deviate from it with the Large Ring-Small Shank design.
    Small Shank Barrels

    A small shank barrel will screw into a small ring receiver or a large ring receiver that accepts a small shank barrel. The shank is normally 0.980 inches in diameter with 0.645 inches of threaded area at 12 TPI.
    Large Shank Barrels

    A large shank barrel will only screw into a large ring receiver designed for a large shank barrel. The shank is normally 1.110 inches in diameter with 0.625 inches of threaded area at 12 TPI. Note that a large shank barrel can usually be turned down to fit a small shank receiver. Your gunsmith could do this with a lathe, but it hardly seems worth it.
    Abbreviations

    SRM - Small Ring Mauser

    LRM - Large Ring (Large Shank) Mauser

    LRSSM - Large Ring Small Shank Mauser"

    Best.
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