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Replica 1875 Schofield Revolver .45LC Ammunition

milsurplus
Found numerous info on here about the replica 1875 Schofield Revolvers using .45LC in particular Uberti and that they of course cant handle any +P rated ammunition due to the break top design and chamber pressure although what about .45LC Buffalo Bore 260-Gr. JHP v1450 e1214 being that its not listed as +P rated, should it be safe to use in this revolver?
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  • Spider7115
    If it's an exact replica, .45 Colt is too long for a Schofield. It will protrude from the front of the cylinder but maybe the replicas are made with a longer cylinder to accept .45 Colt ammo.
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  • givette
    Well, it's Okay, on paper. The folks at Buffalo Bore have listed their standard loads to be called 'standard' because their standard loadigs haven't exceeded SAAMI limits. However, they're loaded to the absolute SAAMI maximum.

    Factory Remington/Winchester standard loadings are a few percentage points less in pressure/velocity.

    Consider it as you driving just up to (but not exceeding) the red-line on your car's engine.

    Opinion: A little less, kinder approach. Allow the gun to give you a lifetime of service by not being driven to the 'max' by a constant diet of maximum loads. Use them sparingly. And you will probably get better accuracy by using the cartridges mentioned earlier in my post.

    Bottom line: You won't get a catastrophic failure using Buffalo Bore standard loads, but the revolver will be running at the proverbial 'red-line'. Consider your listing of the performance numbers: 260-Gr. JHP v1450 e1214 . Best, Joe

    EDIT
    Spider: just noticed your post above. The Uberti line chambers the break-top Schofield type revolvers in .45 Colt from the factory. Frame/cylinder is a 'tad' longer. Best, Joe
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  • Spider7115
    Thanks for the info, Joe. I suspected they may have done that to accomodate the more common .45 Colt ammo as opposed to the shorter .45 Schofield cartridges.
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  • milsurplus
    Very well then, what might you suggest for a "maximum' load in a .45LC that while utilizing the most power from the ammunition shouldn't cause undue stress to the revolver?
    One other note was considering using as a side arm while hunting "psuedo old fashioned" so I am trying to do so as much as possible with a replica Winchester 1885 High Wall in .45-70, obviously with some variation with ammunition and such.
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  • givette
    quote:Originally posted by milsurplus
    Very well then, what might you suggest for a "maximum' load in a .45LC that while utilizing the most power from the ammunition shouldn't cause undue stress to the revolver?
    One other note was considering using as a side arm while hunting "psuedo old fashioned" so I am trying to do so as much as possible with a replica Winchester 1885 High Wall in .45-70, obviously with some variation with ammunition and such.

    Paragraph one:
    The BB standard loads are Okay (see previous post by me). I'm against repeated, exclusive useage of the BB loadings (and the gun is too!). That it will eventually work a break-top revolver loose is a given. How many rounds? Let's just say it would take less rounds than the Remington/Winchester ammo, and let it go at that.

    Paragraph two:
    You are good to go with the Winchester. Modern steel. And the design lends itself to sturdiness. Not to worry in that regard. The pistol you have chosen to use is what needs the TLC. Best again, Joe
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  • milsurplus
    Alright, then I can presume that using the non +P .45LC Buffalo Bore 260-Gr. JHP v1450 e1214 for side arm ammunition to the Winchester 1885 High Wall while hunting should be fine and use the non +P Federal/Remington/Winchester ammo for target shooting etc...
    Apparently so, as I chose that pistol for its uniqueness and nostalgic qualities and that it can perform the task that it is needed for, they really are very nice.
    Thanks.
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  • heavyiron
    Milsurplus,

    quote:Alright, then I can presume that using the non +P .45LC Buffalo Bore 260-Gr. JHP v1450 e1214 for side arm ammunition to the Winchester 1885 High Wall while hunting should be fine and use the non +P Federal/Remington/Winchester ammo for target shooting etc...

    NO! I don't think you understood what Givette was saying. I don't know where you got your information, but Buffalo Bore does not make a "non" +P 45 Colt loading with 260 grain bullet at 1450 fps ammunition - this is their +P loading. Traditional loading for a 45 Colt is going to be in the 900 fps velocity range with a 250 grain bullet. In other words, the 45 Colt with a 260 grain bullet at 1450 fps is a hot load whether it is +P or not and should only to be used in strongly designed revolvers (listed below) and not a top-break Schofield.

    Here is a link for this ammunition:

    http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=43

    Here is Buffalo Bore's warning about the above described ammunition:

    "These Heavy .45 Colt +P loads are safe in all LARGE FRAME Ruger revolvers(includes Blackhawk, Super Blackhawk, all pre-2005 Vaquero, Bisley, Redhawk). These Heavy .45 Colt +P loads are NOT intended for the New Model Vaquero (small frame). These loads are also safe in all modern Model 1892 leverguns as well as all Winchester & Marlin 1894's."

    You are using the wrong weapon to try to squeeze performance - it isn't the right tool for the job. Use only traditional 45 Colt loads in the Uberti for hunting. They provide plenty of power.

    This is the most the Uberti is capable of handling and note the differences from the above link.

    http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=search_list&s[search]=&s[title]=Y&s[short_desc]=Y&s[full_desc]=Y&s[sku]=Y&s[match]=all&s[cid]=13

    Use standard pressure rounds in the Uberti.

    Regards,

    Heavyiron
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  • milsurplus
    Does seem a might much even for a break top revolver, although that is why I asked...
    Actually I believe that I did understand the statement anyway, he basically said that using the Buffalo Bore (BB) "standard load" is okay and since it is not listed as a +P as other BB ammunition is on Buffalo Bore's website then one can only presume that it would be considered their "standard load", unless there is another company called Buffalo Bore that makes a non +P standard load that I am unaware of...

    Since you seem to be knowledgeable about Pedersoli Firearms, that Pedersoli 1885 High Wall looks nice especially with the case hardening and longer barrel than the Winchester 1885 High Wall Traditional Hunter, I don't suppose that they can handle anything but "standard" loads as well, so NO Corbons, or other "hot loads", although I did read about a distinguished GB Forum member that did say that they ran more than 2 boxes of hot handloads through their Pedersoli 1885 HighWall?
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  • milsurplus
    If that is the case then Buffalo Bore should list it as a +P load on their website rather then make it appear to be a heavy "standard load" and which is what the other poster was referring to as I explained earlier. Personally I like the 1875 Pedersoli Schofield in .45LC accompanied by the Pedersoli 1885 HighWall in .45-70 for hunting and target shooting, they seem very well made and look very nice and I am not interested in using the .45AR only the .45LC, thanks.
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  • milsurplus
    Here is that link that I mentioned:
    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=177244&SearchTerms=uberti,quality
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  • givette
    quote:Originally posted by milsurplus
    If that is the case then Buffalo Bore should list it as a +P load on their website rather then make it appear to be a heavy "standard load" and which is what the other poster was referring to as I explained earlier. Personally I like the 1875 Pedersoli Schofield in .45LC accompanied by the Pedersoli 1885 HighWall in .45-70 for hunting and target shooting, they seem very well made and look very nice and I am not interested in using the .45AR only the .45LC, thanks.


    I guess I'm the other poster. I remain:
    Below is a link to the rounds that I recommended as Okay in my previous post(s). BB's 'Standard loadings'. None other. Please do not take any liberties, or departures from my previous post(s).

    You will note that the velocity/energy listings you have posted are considerably higher..BB lists the round you've posted earlier as one of their +P loadings!! Do Not Use!!

    Again, link below are for BB's 'Standard' loadings..and the only loads I've said is Okay to use (see earlier post by me). Best, Joe

    http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=7
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