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kernel65
What are some options for getting a higher POI out of a sporting gun? I plan on seeing exactly what type of pattern it has this weekend (guessing 50/50) but when shooting five-stand I can't exactly figure out where to hold on a long trap shot. The gun is a Browning XS 12ga with 28in barrel and shooting a Mod or I-Mod choke for that shot. This is the gun I want to shoot.

Options I have thought of is just always hold it high, have an adjustable comb installed, install a XT stock, find a lace up cheek piece...

Am I thinking of this right or missing the point?
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  • rufe-snow
    My understanding of the matter is, that with a single barrel shotgun. The barrel actually has to be bent to change the point of impact. It goes without saying that you wouldn't let some shade tree gunsmith attempt this. But some very knowledgeable gunsmith who specializes in shotguns. With a double/overunder you SOL.
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  • bobski
    get a monte carlo stock.
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  • Lucky007
    Try this; Move back about 13 yards from a sheet of cardboard with a bullseye on it. Shoot several careful shots at the dot (something around 4" in diameter) with your shotgun and the IM choke. If, for instance, your ragged hole center portion of the pattern is 3" above the point of aim, then your gun would be shoooting about 6" above your point of aim at around 32-35 yards. No one needs to bend a barrel to raise the point of aim. As the previous poster said, if your gun is shooting flater than you'd like, you can raise the comb on your over/under (or any shotgun configuration) by raising the comb. Having a 4 way adjustable comb installed on any off the shelf shotgun is a great help in getting the gun to shoot where you are looking or where you would like the center of the pattern to go. There is no point in owning a shotgun that doesn't shoot well for you, especially at sporting clays and the extreme angles involved.
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  • allechalley
    I'm not sure what you are asking, but this gun IS set up as a sporting clays gun, ie, you cover the bird. Generally, you shouldn't even see the rear bead, as you will shoot high. Most of the time, misses are following the target and don't overtake. I think your attempt to make this into a trap style "figure 8" sighting is doomed to failure, as a majority of targets are NOT rising targets as in trap. I watched two proficient trap shooters become enraged as they showed up with high rib trap guns and shot really poorly. Different game entirely. Most clays targets, by the time you get on them are already dropping, even tho they don't look it. It is and always was intended to be a hunting style, ie, rising, crossing, ground targets, approaching, off speed, ect. and on some courses with the right wind, self defense.
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  • kernel65
    Thanks for the info guys. The bird in question is actually coming from a trap and is roughly from the 25yd line (about like shooting handicap targets). When I first shot five stand I was using my trap gun and had no problems with the target but swinging a 30" I-Mod and Full choked gun didn't leave much margin for error and just didn't "feel" right. The other gun I have and really like and can make it work, I just need to find the trick for me. I've tried the figure 8 method but inconsistent with it, then hand-in-hand is the covering the target and even shooting out above/ahead of it.

    If I start messing with the comb, am I doing myself any favors when it comes to rabbits and high/low houses?

    Keep the suggestions coming. Thanks again.

    Scott
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  • Tailgunner1954
    Scott
    Clays guns are set up to shoot a "low" pattern, as most of the targets are falling. (think 45/65)
    Trap guns are set up to shoot a "high" pattern, as your trying to hit the bird on the rise (think 65/35).
    Skeet and field guns generally are a 50/50 high/low.

    For the few "risers" on a clays course, simply "blot out" the bird (if you can see it your to low). Kind of like you would do at station 8 skeet, where if you can see the bird your behind it.
    On a "springing teal" type of shot (bird going straight up) try to time the shot to the peak height (at that point the bird stops moving for a instant).

    IOW learn where your gun shoots, than practice until the various shots feel natural to you. Clays courses are set up to make the shooter miss, and the longer they let you look at a bird the harder it is to hit as you'll start "thinking" about the shot (a mind is a terrable thing to waste on a shotgunner)
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  • kernel65
    Went out today and shot trap from post 3 at the 25yd line. I had better luck on the angle shots leading and covering it up than on the straight aways. I guess what it boils down to is I'm looking for help on trying to figure out if I need to focus on learning to shoot the gun more or try messing around with making a flat shooting gun shoot higher? It's money on the close shots, it's the long going away shots that are making me think...

    This is the last reply to this thread before it gets locked, if there are anymore suggestions please send me a message and I can open it back up as a new topic.
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  • bobski
    adjust the comb. zero it in.
    get on with shooting.

    ....or learn the leads needed for that particular gun, or buy a gun that fits you.

    it really is that simple.
    [;)]
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