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ra5451
Hi all

I just got 3 guns and need help getting some info about them because I couldn't find them in a search...
Approx value and age?
All are in good condition
Keystone Arms 12G shotgun single shot S# A31272
Bay State (worcester) 20G shotgun single shot S# A469213
Japanese Type 99 S# 37083
Bayonet Nagoya Arsenal

Any Info Would Help !!
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  • ra5451
    Pics added....

    Baystate

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    Keystone
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    Jap Type 99?????

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    Thankx
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  • nord
    Shotguns:

    Both utility singles. Both made for the trade.

    Bay State is in reasonably good and original condition. Retail will be between $75 and $120.00. Best guess depending on the day and motivation of the buyer.

    Keystone has been cut. Male VERY sure the barrel measures OVER 18"! (Illegal under 18" and worthless unless you wish an extended vacation at Club Fed.)
    Retail will reflect the modification. If legal - $50 to $100.

    Rifle - Not familiar enough to comment.
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  • ra5451
    Thankx Nord....It's over 18"...
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  • nmyers
    Need to see all markings on the Japanese rifle, including the mum on top of the receiver.

    Neal
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  • 32 Magnum
    Baystate shotgun is a variant of the Harrington & Richardson Model '08/Standard single shot. Value in excellent condition will approach $175.
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  • gary wray
    ra5451....as to the Type 99, is the mum intact? My old eyes think they see the monopod...correct? How about the anti-aircraft sights (the little extensions on either side of the sights?)Intact? I also think I see the dust cover...right? Check to see that the serial # on the cover matches the # to the rifle. You will have to look close on the back to see it. Cannot tell if the sling is original...does it have any markings? Check to see what the arsenal marking is on the rifle...most were also made at Nagoya but also at seven other arsenals...which is yours? So, lots of questions to answer before value can be established. If the 99 is also Nagoya, as is the bayonet, you have a nice set which can help value. Finally, do you know the history of the rifle....how did you get it?
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  • ra5451
    quote:Originally posted by gary wray
    ra5451....as to the Type 99, is the mum intact?

    Yes the mum is intact

    My old eyes think they see the monopod...correct?

    Yes there is a monopod

    How about the anti-aircraft sights (the little extensions on either side of the sights?)Intact?

    Yes they r intact

    I also think I see the dust cover...right? Check to see that the serial # on the cover matches the # to the rifle. You will have to look close on the back to see it.

    matching

    Cannot tell if the sling is original...does it have any markings?

    Original


    Check to see what the arsenal marking is on the rifle...most were also made at Nagoya but also at seven other arsenals...which is yours?

    toyo kogyo

    So, lots of questions to answer before value can be established. If the 99 is also Nagoya, as is the bayonet, you have a nice set which can help value. Finally, do you know the history of the rifle....how did you get it?


    Please see notes in quote above

    Hope this helps
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  • gary wray
    ra5451...thanks for your response! With the info that you have supplied, IMHO your Type 99 is worth, with the bayonet, w/o seeing the condition of the barrel, and with the cleaning rod (that many are missing) somewhere in the $900-1100k range. Heck, if the leather sling is originial, that alone is a rare item and worth $200+! Certainly of the three weapons that you mention, the Type 99 is the best of the bunch and worth far more than the rest. Since most Japanese rifles have the mum removed (which means that they were surrendered rather than captured) that yours has it indicates that it was probably a vet bringback or APO San Franciso mailback. I was lucky years ago to get the same Type 99, same arsenal, in the box with the APO San Franscio label from Okinawa, packed tight with blue Pabst Blue Ribbon papers! Great rifle, every bit the peer of other bolt action WWII rifles and better than most! If it was mine I would hold onto it and in a couple of years the set would be worth $2k! Good shooting!
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  • ra5451
    Thankx for the info Gary....I have another longer one Type 38 which my father found on a body in the Philippines during WWII.....I also know a guy who has 2 of them in his basement...I'm gonna call him to see if he wants to sell them...Do u know if the 99 is 6.5mm?
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  • gary wray
    ra5451...you are very welcome! Glad we can help on the GB Forum. To answer you question, no, the Type 99's were all 7.7mm. The Japanese determined in the early 1930's that the 6.5mm was not really what their future enemies (Brits, US and others) were armed with and, finding themselves a bit undergunned, worked up to the Type 99 in 1938 which was produced in almost the same numbers as the Type 38. Finding both Type 38's and Type 99's in good shape is getting rarer and rarer so if you have an opportunity to pick some of either up, I would jump at it as they are going to do nothing but appreciate in value! Good shooting!
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  • Alan Rushing
    Hello ra5451

    Thanks for the photos of your Type 99. I know nothing about either of the Japanese rifles: the Type 99 or the Type 38. I like the opportunity to see the photos, and learn a bit them. Thanks
    PS: that is an interesting photo of a beautiful raptor ! ! !

    Hello Gary,

    Where might someone get more information and become more familiar with both of them? I recall seeing a number of the bring-backs as a kid .... that is a long time back, and I have no knowledge of them.
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