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When was the first year 30WCF 1894 or 1895 ?

9NickS
Hi
I have an 1894 Winchester rifle serial #13200 30WCF. Cody Firearms Museum says it is correct and shipped mid 1896. The Blue Book shows it to be manufactured in 1894. Why would this gun have been shipped long after 30WCF guns were available? Any info on early 30WCF's would be appreciated.
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Nick
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  • perry shooter
    Wait for Bert H or look at top few post STICKY on this forum It will explain why the blue book is in error. Just remember BATFE use the same information as the blue book when it comes to what is a LEGAL Antique even if their information may be slightly off.
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  • Floyd58523
    this is from Berts Winchester 1894 info in the Sticky. 30 W.C.F. Rifle - serial number 3314, 5-29-1895
    30 W.C.F. Carbine - serial number 4787, 6-24-1895

    I have serial number 4860 30 wcf In on July 9, 1895 and out on July 9, 1895. This is a round barrel rifle with plain trigger.
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  • v35
    Winchester first loaded 30-30 ammunition in 1895.
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  • Bert H.
    Hello Nick,

    The Blue Book is almost totally worthless as it pertains to Winchester serialization versus DOM information. Much of what is published in the Blue Book was copied from the information George Madis published back in the 1960s... most of which is highly inaccurate.

    The information Cody provided to you on your Model 1894 was derived from the original factory records, and as such, it is 100% accurate.

    Winchester did not introduce the 30 W.C.F. (a.k.a. 30-30) cartridge until May of 1895 (it was formally introduced in August of 1895).
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  • 9NickS
    Thank you all for the info. Never thought to look close at the Blue Book data.
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  • tsr1965
    quote:Originally posted by 9NickS
    Thank you all for the info. Never thought to look close at the Blue Book data.


    This data is not in the BlueBook. It is only available at or from the Cody Museum. The BB got it's data from George Madis' books, which unbeknown to me, untill I joined this forum, was highly just plain WRONG with DOM data. It is my suggestion you acquire a letter of originality from the Cody Museum for this rifle...it will add greatly to its value. For a bit of more information, Bert H is one of the leading winchester experts on the planet. He spends a great deal of time each year at the Cody Museum doing research, and in some cases letter's. You are in great hands here.

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