no serial number Colt 1911
Mr Magnum,
If I were you I'd take Mr Snows post seriously. A firearm with the serial # removed is bad JUJU. It could have been removed and then polished out so you cannot even tell it was there.
Just to stir things up a bit I might add that a friend of mine has had the DOD (yes an official from the Dept of Defense) confiscate US Govt marked property out of his gun safe and advised him that ANYTHING marked US Property is exactly that and can be confiscated by DOD [:(]at any time. My friend (a law abiding citizen)did NOT get his property back and had to spend time in a coutroom as well.
If I were you I'd take Mr Snows post seriously. A firearm with the serial # removed is bad JUJU. It could have been removed and then polished out so you cannot even tell it was there.
Just to stir things up a bit I might add that a friend of mine has had the DOD (yes an official from the Dept of Defense) confiscate US Govt marked property out of his gun safe and advised him that ANYTHING marked US Property is exactly that and can be confiscated by DOD [:(]at any time. My friend (a law abiding citizen)did NOT get his property back and had to spend time in a coutroom as well.
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There's no doubt in my mind that the serial number has been illegally removed. 
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Yes indeed there Spider... 0 -
so i guess all guns that were sold off as US surplus with US markings are all stolen guns and subject to consfication??? hope the guvermint isn't cruzing the auction side[V] 0 -
ColtDoctor, How about more details about the confiscation of US Govt marked property. Was it a gun? How did it come to the attention of a DOD official.
I have kept sales documents on all my DCM and CMP purchases. There are also sales records available from Springfield Research Service. I would think any of these would be a defense against having the gun confiscated.0 -
What firearm was seized by the DoD and what agency confiscated it? An "official from the DoD" is pretty vague. 0 -
Hello I can almost read the O that was part of NO. in the front of where the serial number.This is a refinished WW I pistol I would take ALL PARTS off the pistol and destroy this Contraband frame then sell the parts that were removed It would NOT remain in my house or on my property TONIGHT. The grips alone could bring $100.00+
EDIT with all due respect to TimHill I don't think it is wise to tell anyone to just not tell anyone that they intend to commit a felony every day they keep a firearm that has had the serial nu,mber destroyed. I have a 1911 that I can prove was made BEFORE the 1934 gun control act that required pistols to have serial numbers This is a so called LUNCH BOX PISTOL I however have a signed letter from the BATFE addressed to me stating it is legal for me to own. There is a BIG difference between a pistol with the serial number destroyed and one that NEVER had a serial number . If you are caught with a firearm with a destroyed serial you have just signed up for BUBBA as a room-mate and given away ALL firearms you have.0 -
many years ago i had a remington 1911 that NEVER had a sn. it had all other markings and there was no evidence of removal. according to an article i read, there were about 90 of these guns that were presented to factory execs BEFORE the sn would have been applied. the gentleman i bought it from showed me the bill of sale he got when he bought it in an indianapolis pawn shop in 1932 that noted it had no sn. the man carried it for many years as a personal arm and on the job as a security agent.
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why not just keep it to yourself dont tell anyone, noone has to know but you that there is no s/n, would make a great shooter. 0 -
No 1911's or 1911A1's knowingly left the factory without a serial number; that would have been a violation of federal law.
However, some factory employees are known to have stolen gun parts & assembled them into complete guns without a serial number. Such guns are legal to possess. ATF will examine a gun without a serial number &, if they determine that it never had one, return it with a letter validating it's legality; that also enhances its desirability to collectors. (If they determine that it had a serial number that was removed, they will keep it.)
As for the story about DOD confiscating property once owned by the government, that is an urban legend. It's origin is a bill introduced about a year ago by an anti-gun Congressman; it was quickly pointed out to him that billions of dollars of surplus property (including firearms) has been legally sold to the public, & that there is no legal way that it could be confiscated without severe political & economic repercussions.
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quote:Originally posted by king999
many years ago i had a remington 1911 that NEVER had a sn.
it had all other markings and there was no evidence of removal.
according to an article i read, there were about 90 of these guns
that were presented to factory execs BEFORE the sn would have been
applied.
the gentleman i bought it from showed me the bill of sale he got
when he bought it in an indianapolis pawn shop in 1932
that noted it had no sn. the man carried it for many years as a
personal arm and on the job as a security agent.
morty
All [item in blue, above] indicates is that the paper trail only goes as far back
as the pawn shop. What is important, is before
[item in blue]. Gun is a potential felony 'till
ATF rules on the unmarked (to the human eye) firearm,
or some officiating agency back in '32 deposed, in writing,
that it left the factory W/O a SerNo.
As you can imagine, all of this is Highly unlikely.
Too many unknowns here. Best, Joe0 -
quote:Originally posted by givette
quote:Originally posted by king999
many years ago i had a remington 1911 that NEVER had a sn.
it had all other markings and there was no evidence of removal.
according to an article i read, there were about 90 of these guns
that were presented to factory execs BEFORE the sn would have been
applied.
the gentleman i bought it from showed me the bill of sale he got
when he bought it in an indianapolis pawn shop in 1932
that noted it had no sn. the man carried it for many years as a
personal arm and on the job as a security agent.
morty
All [item in blue, above] indicates is that the paper trail only goes as far back
as the pawn shop. What is important, is before
[item in blue]. Gun is a potential felony 'till
ATF rules on the unmarked (to the human eye) firearm,
or some officiating agency back in '32 deposed, in writing,
that it left the factory W/O a SerNo.
As you can imagine, all of this is Highly unlikely.
Too many unknowns here. Best, Joe
I think the wire brush marks tell the whole story.0
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