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BULLSTONE

I am in Georgia and am wanting to ship a C&R (50YEAR OLD) handgun to a collector in Ohio.He is sending me a copy of his FFL C&R license.I plan to ship Fedex overnite ,will I have any issues and how should I handle this shippment?? THANKS BULLSTONE
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  • nmyers
    I see a couple of things you need to clarify:

    First, exactly what kind of handgun have you sold? Is it in "original configuration"? If not, that takes it out of the C&R category.

    Second, you need to tell us the city the buyer lives in; some OH cities have special laws on handguns. Or, you can check for yourself in State Laws and Published Ordinances - Firearms (ATF P5300.5), downloadable from the ATF website.

    If this transfer is legal, Fedex Overnight is the way to go. You must ship from a company customer counter (not a shipping store or Fedex), you must declare the contents as a firearm, & nothing on the package can identify the contents as a firearm. Expect to pay $50-70 for shipping.

    Neal
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  • EOD Guy
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    I see a couple of things you need to clarify:

    First, exactly what kind of handgun have you sold? Is it in "original configuration"? If not, that takes it out of the C&R category.

    Second, you need to tell us the city the buyer lives in; some OH cities have special laws on handguns. Or, you can check for yourself in State Laws and Published Ordinances - Firearms (ATF P5300.5), downloadable from the ATF website.

    If this transfer is legal, Fedex Overnight is the way to go. You must ship from a company customer counter (not a shipping store or Fedex), you must declare the contents as a firearm, & nothing on the package can identify the contents as a firearm. Expect to pay $50-70 for shipping.

    Neal


    The original configuration ruling only applies to military firearms.
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  • dfletcher
    quote:Originally posted by EOD Guy
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    I see a couple of things you need to clarify:

    First, exactly what kind of handgun have you sold? Is it in "original configuration"? If not, that takes it out of the C&R category.

    Neal


    The original configuration ruling only applies to military firearms.


    Actually, that's no longer the case. Our good friends at ATF have decided the original configuration rule applies to all C & R eligible guns: http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/curios-relics/

    I think this is a fairly recent change. How far one can stray (Pachmayer grips on a Registered Magnum = no C & R?) I don't know nor does anyone else, I believe.
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  • EOD Guy
    It looks like you're right. Like you said, it must be a fairly recent change since the letters I have and the rulings I've seen specifically mention military firearms.
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  • dfletcher
    quote:Originally posted by EOD Guy
    It looks like you're right. Like you said, it must be a fairly recent change since the letters I have and the rulings I've seen specifically mention military firearms.



    I think within the last year amybe.

    Notice how ATF says, more or less - "well, it's not exactly written in the law but this is what we've decided it means regarding military guns so since we can't be wrong on that - it must also mean the same thing for all guns". Their self serving logic is really something else. For example - let's say you see a nice Smith Model 53 (22 Jet, C & R eligible) but some fellow put Pachmayer rubber grips on the thing. Does that remove it from C & R status? Can the guy just remove the darn grips and send it with nothing? I'd say it's a grey area and the guy doing the selling would probably say "I don't need this aggravation, I'll send it to your regular FFL" where you have to pay transfer fees and such. Which I think is ATF's goal sometimes, to make it expensive & aggravating & tedious to simply buy a gun.
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  • 11b6r
    Have had this "original" discussion with ATF Firearms Technical branch. What they are looking at is: Is the weapon still a collectable arm? If the change is a set of pacs, it is still a collectable arm. If it is barely recognizable as the parent firearm, no. A set of Millet sight on a Colt Woodsman- minor change, still collectable. A barreled action? NOT a collectable, so not covered under an 03.

    Now, to go back to original post, the seller is not a "licensed person". It IS up to the "licensed person" to know what is and is not covered under their license.
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