22 9 shot revolver
H&R sportsman. Anyone can tell me about this gun? And maybe the value of it? it is about 75% or a in fair condition. Also have a Ranger 12 gauge single shot shotgun. A Winchester 22 cal model 12, I think. 1880 something but made in 1903. I need help with the 22 and shot gun.
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The H&R Sportsman is a darn good .22 revolver. There are 2-3 evolutions in production which would have variations in value. W/O knowing the particulars, I would give a "ballpark" value estimate of $150.-$200. Bill Goforth is THE expert on H&R's and a member of this board. If you will post some pics and a serial number.I'm sure he can give you much more info.
I'm not aware of any Winchester Model 12 .22 rifle. Don't think there was one. IMO you're mixed up on Model number. Pics would help to ID it.0 -
Muzzle,
If you post the serial number, including and letter prefixes and whether your piece has a one piece grip or two piece grip panels, Bill or I can date it, tell you the Model and variation number and give you a current AVERAGE RETAIL value.
Jim Hauff
H&R Collector0 -
32 MAGNUM, I can't find a serial number nowhere on the gun. Except under the one piece grip. # 5002 under the serial number is one letter. L The coloring on the barrel and cylinder are different. Leading me to believe the come from two different revolvers. I'm trying to figure how to post pictures. Or if I can email to one of you. Then you can post for me.
The 22 Winchester take down, serial # 456412 with RW above it. There are Pedersen's patents. Jan 5-1909,Oct 12-1909, Mar 8-1910, Nov-21-1911 and April 16-1912. This might help somebody with the model. Both guns work very good.
Thanks for your help,
Muzzlesmoke0 -
the "L" letter code was used in 1951. a second serial number should be under the bottom of the top strap. if it is the same as the one on the grip frame with out the letter code your revolver was most likely refinished at some time. if not the same the barrel is a replacemnet. in either case the revolver has lost all collector value and is valued as a every day shooter only. this would be about 25% less than the qouted below.
SPORTSMAN DOUBLE ACTION MODEL 999
LARGE FRAME TOP BREAK .
1932-1952
Large frame double action top break revolver; Caliber 22 rimfire (short, long & long rifle) cylinder capacity 9 rounds, 22 Winchester Rim Fire (WRF) cylinder capacity 7 rounds; Safety rim cylinder; blue finish only; barrel length 6 inches (ribbed); Automatic cylinder stop; Sights: rear adjustable for windage only, Three different front sights used, full Blade, Partridge type & Partridge type pinned to barrel top rib, all non-adjustable; Finger rest trigger guard; One piece oversized checkered Walnut grips (birds head grip frame shape, Rice frame); frame mounted firing pin, hammer face is flat. Cylinder release is long pivoting lever on right side of frame (there are two different version of this). Serial numbered in its own series from 01 up to at least 89761 by the end of 1939. Starting in 1940 letter codes were used. Early production until about 1933 the letter code "D" was used to denote double action
First Variation; round heavy weight ribbed barrel with Blade non-adjustable front sight
1932- to before April 18,1933
Second Variation; adjustable front sight
1933 (after 4-18-1933)-
Third Variation; firing pin moved to hammer
1934
Fourth Variation; three inch barrel was offered
1935
Fifth Variation; two patent dates marked on cylinder (before there was only one)----1936 (after 3-17)-1937
Sixth Variation; top of barrel markings moved to right side of barrel
1937-1939
Seventh Variation; 22 WFR caliber dropped, 3 inch barrel dropped
1940-1941
Eight Variation; one piece over size plastic grips are standard, limited production during WWII years ----1942-1952
VALUE: 100%=$425 60%=$195 Add 15% premium for 1st Variation; 50% for 22WRF caliber; 30% for 3" barrel (scarce).
the model 999 went for two more models finally being discontinued in 1986 only to be reintroduced again by NEF/H&R 1871 in 1987.
since this post is all ready taken up with the H&R sportsman you may want to make a new post about the winchester.
bill0 -
I got more then I thought. Mine has plastic one piece grips.
The serial number is 50xx with an L under it. Has front and rear adjustment on sights. I haven't shoot it yet, the action seems to work smooth. I just picked up. I have heard of Bill Goforth on another forum. I tried to go to his web site but it didn't work. Still can't figure out how to post pictures. I guess you have to go to anywhere images.
Thanks0 -
Muzzle - two tone Sportsman is a dead give-away that it has been refinished. Usually, the frame turns out a plum color. The lack of a serial number on the front of the grip strap is another indicator that the gun was heavily buffed before being reblued. This confirms Bill's suspicion that it has been refinished. One more question for you: is the cylinder catch release a small button on the left side of the frame or a 1" long "bar" on the right side - both would be just in front of the cylinder? 0 -
32cal,
You are right about the bluing. The same serial number on top strap.
Cylinder release small button on left side. Not worth much I guess.
I got it in the butt[:I] on this deal.
Thanks[:D]
Muzzlesmoke
I'll start new thread on 22cal take-down pump, Winchester0 -
Muzzle,
From my experience - I've got a couple "just shooters" amongst my Collection - a Sportsman in that condition will sell for around $250 now-a-days...+/- $25. GOOD SHOOTERS as long as the rifling and crown are intact. I have a 1936 vintage piece that has virtually no finish left on it, which I use for my range gun - it will easily outshoot any of my other "shooter grade" .22 revolvers or semi's. What's it worth? I paid $145 for it about 8 years ago, today, it would sell for about 40 to 50 bucks more - I won't sell - I don't want to mess up any of the other 30 or so Sportsman in my collection that are in better shape. Your call whether you got screwed or not - if it shoots well - you done good, amigo.
Also, with the cylinder release button on the left - then the 'L' prefix, as Bill said, is the year 1951 designator.0 -
yep when two bozos were creeping in my driveway at 3 am with no light the muzzle flash made enough light 0
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