Picked this Winchester 67 up at a gunshow..????
Its got no serial no. that I can find. What can you guys tell me about this gun. I gave a guy $150 for it because the condition is fabulous and I figured the stock is worth that. The barrel looks to be about a yard long.
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Todd,
That is a first year or early second year production Model 67 rifle. Winchester began production of the Model 67 in April of 1934 (the first rifles were received in the warehouse on April 19th, 1934), and sometime during the year 1935 (June?) Winchester changed the stock design by eliminating the elongated finger groove in the forestock area. The barrel lenght is 27-inches (quite long for a .22 caliber).
At just $150 you stole that rifle[:0]... you should feel guilty about doing that[;)].0 -
Thanks Bert, so the only way to tell the year is the stock?? 1934 huh, must have cost about $1 back then. [:D] I was going to look it up on the auction side when I get back to the house. 0 -
beautiful rifle-darn things looks unused. $150 is a great price. if it's the 27" barrel it could be either rifled or smooth bored-you didn't say if you checked or not. If it is the smooth bore model it adds 100% to 150% to the price depending on condition-of which yours is outstanding. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by cartod
Thanks Bert, so the only way to tell the year is the stock?? 1934 huh, must have cost about $1 back then. [:D] I was going to look it up on the auction side when I get back to the house.
That's correct. It's more than likely a first year rifle. The only time the serial numbers were added to most inexpensive .22s made by Winchester were those sent to foreign countries.0 -
quote:Originally posted by cartod
Thanks Bert, so the only way to tell the year is the stock?? 1934 huh, must have cost about $1 back then. [:D] I was going to look it up on the auction side when I get back to the house.
There are many other small tell-tale changes that were made to the Model 67 over the years that can more closely identify when an individual rifle was made, but one of the easiest is the change to the forestock. The Model "67" was actually short lived, as it was changed to the Model "67A" in January of 1938 (modifications to the bolt sear and extractor).0 -
quote:Originally posted by ruger41
beautiful rifle-darn things looks unused. $150 is a great price. if it's the 27" barrel it could be either rifled or smooth bored-you didn't say if you checked or not. If it is the smooth bore model it adds 100% to 150% to the price depending on condition-of which yours is outstanding.
Hello Eric,
Winchester did not add the smooth bore variant until after the Model designation was changed to "67A".0 -
How do they shoot? 0 -
Perfect! I have one that looks like this ones twin, except no finger grooves. It shoots VERY well! You did quite well. 0 -
gotcha bert--that darn blue book--i have got to stop looking in that thing for info. in the entry it did say 67/67A but didn't make a distinction for which number covered rifled or smoothbore. is there a better book for info out there that covers so many guns at once? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by cartod
How do they shoot?
They are excellent shooters... not quite like a Model 75 Target or a Model 52, but much better than most people can shoot.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by cartod
Thanks Bert, so the only way to tell the year is the stock?? 1934 huh, must have cost about $1 back then. [:D] I was going to look it up on the auction side when I get back to the house.
There are many other small tell-tale changes that were made to the Model 67 over the years that can more closely identify when an individual rifle was made, but one of the easiest is the change to the forestock. The Model "67" was actually short lived, as it was changed to the Model "67A" in January of 1938 (modifications to the bolt sear and extractor).
The change from the finger groove to the regular stock on is certainly the easiest, and it is the only one that I recall right off the top of my head that identifies a first year model 67. Bert, if there are other means to identify a first year production model 67, please let me know when you check your references as to what they might be.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ruger41
gotcha bert--that darn blue book--i have got to stop looking in that thing for info. in the entry it did say 67/67A but didn't make a distinction for which number covered rifled or smoothbore. is there a better book for info out there that covers so many guns at once?
The best by far that I am aware of is Madis' The Winchester Handbook.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ruger41
Is there a better book for info out there that covers so many guns at once?
Yes, there is. For all of the Winchester .22 caliber single-shot models (and there were a lot of them), Herb Houze's superb reference book "To The Dreams of Youth Winchester .22 Caliber Single Shot Rifle" is by far the best reference source available... I use it almost exclusively when questions arise about many of the models it covers.0 -
quote:Originally posted by kimi
The best by far that I am aware of is Madis' The Winchester Handbook.
Not even close[:0]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by kimi
The best by far that I am aware of is Madis' The Winchester Handbook.
Not even close[:0]
Bert if you know of a book that covers "more models" of Winchesters in detail than Madis' The Winchester Handbook, then do tell, because I'd certainly like to have it. This would allow me to comment here on this forum about it as well.[8D][;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by kimi
Bert, if there are other means to identify a first year production model 67, please let me know when you check your references as to what they might be.
Buy a copy of Herb's book... you will not regret it[:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by ruger41
Is there a better book for info out there that covers so many guns at once?
Yes, there is. For all of the Winchester .22 caliber single-shot models (and there were a lot of them), Herb Houze's superb reference book "To The Dreams of Youth Winchester .22 Caliber Single Shot Rifle" is by far the best reference source available... I use it almost exclusively when questions arise about many of the models it covers.
For single shot rifles this is a good book, but the fact that I did not buy it is because it did not impress me in terms of having "one" reference book that covers "most all Winchesters" in quite a bit of detail, and best of all, it is kind of like a ready reference guide.0 -
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by ruger41
Is there a better book for info out there that covers so many guns at once?
Yes, there is. For all of the Winchester .22 caliber single-shot models (and there were a lot of them), Herb Houze's superb reference book "To The Dreams of Youth Winchester .22 Caliber Single Shot Rifle" is by far the best reference source available... I use it almost exclusively when questions arise about many of the models it covers.
For single shot rifles this is a good book, but the fact that I did not buy it is because it did not impress me in terms of having "one" reference book that covers "most all Winchesters" in quite a bit of detail, and best of all, it is kind of like a ready reference guide.
There is no "one single source" book that adequately covers all of the many Winchester models... a good reference library needs to have many different books in it (e.g. Ned Schwing's books on the slide-action .22 rifles, Herb's books, and many others). Madis does not come close to covering most of the models in good detail.0
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