win 231 and 44mag ?????? pressure problems
first off been reloading for this gun for many years.
picked up some win 231 and thought i would try it in my SW629.
start load with 240 jsp was 11.2
loaded a few with 11.0 and 11.2
cci 350
light crimp
new brass
Winchester book says pressure will be 38000 cup (same as if i had used 24.0 grains)
my 629 did not like this at all, had to hammer ejector rod to get the cases out, some had split, all had flat primers.[:0]
gun had little recoil felt like 44 spl rounds.
DID NOT SHOOT ANYMORE IN THE 629.
but i did shoot the rest out of my DE 44MAG.
ALL felt week but the gun did function, none split, none had flat primers, all ejected.
the book did say do not reduce charge as high pressure may accrue.
any body have any idea why my 629 had pressure trouble but the DE did not.
bottom line is i don't think i want to up the charge to the 24.0 and try it.[;)]
my mistakes underlined, but i still had pressure trouble with the data used using 11.0 & 11.2, so any ideas on why
picked up some win 231 and thought i would try it in my SW629.
start load with 240 jsp was 11.2
loaded a few with 11.0 and 11.2
cci 350
light crimp
new brass
Winchester book says pressure will be 38000 cup (same as if i had used 24.0 grains)
my 629 did not like this at all, had to hammer ejector rod to get the cases out, some had split, all had flat primers.[:0]
gun had little recoil felt like 44 spl rounds.
DID NOT SHOOT ANYMORE IN THE 629.
but i did shoot the rest out of my DE 44MAG.
ALL felt week but the gun did function, none split, none had flat primers, all ejected.
the book did say do not reduce charge as high pressure may accrue.
any body have any idea why my 629 had pressure trouble but the DE did not.
bottom line is i don't think i want to up the charge to the 24.0 and try it.[;)]
my mistakes underlined, but i still had pressure trouble with the data used using 11.0 & 11.2, so any ideas on why
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My gosh!! Where did you get that data?! Hodgdon says start with 8 and 11 is MAX! I think you got mixed up with Win.296. 0 -
Yup, book says 11gr 231 MAX, 24gr 296 max. Your damn lucky you didn't blow yourself up[:(]. Win 296 is about the same as H110, Win 231 is a totaly different animal. Always double check what you read.[:0]
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i made a mistake about the 24gr max that was for 296, guess in the excitement i didn't notice the change in powder numbers when i was rereading the book,
still looks like 296 would be a touchy type to load when the Astrix's says do not change any load data
the load data is correct on on the 11.2 i did load that
THINK ILL STICK TO THE NORM 2400 AND H110
this data is in a winchester book
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H110 is exactly as touchy as W296 - because H110 is W296.
Clearly, you are only interested in maximum loads. You began with the maximum charge of 231, not following the instructions to reduce all listed loads by 10% to start. Sooner or later, those two habits are going to bite you - as almost happened here.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rocky Raab
H110 is exactly as touchy as W296 - because H110 is W296.
Clearly, you are only interested in maximum loads. You began with the maximum charge of 231, not following the instructions to reduce all listed loads by 10% to start. Sooner or later, those two habits are going to bite you - as almost happened here.
NO. i started with .02 less then the only load listed in WINCHESTER book FOR 231
AS FOR 296 AND H110 i have no idea as i don't have any 296, but have loaded a lot of H110 light and to the max and have NEVER had any pressure trouble in the SW or the DE. only with the 231 in the SW .
SO THE ? IS . IS WHY WAS THERE A PRESSURE SIGN AT ALL
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BECAUSE YOU STARTED WITH THE MAXIMUM LOAD! And because some guns will take it and some won't. (As you discovered). "i started with .02 less--" It appears that you don't know the difference between .02 and .2: Could it be that you're not a detail-oriented person? 0 -
I think you meant to say two tenths under, not two hundredths, but even two tenths is a meaningless reduction. Ten percent of 11 grains is at least a full grain. The loads listed in the Winchester brochure are maximum loads, NOT start loads, as clearly stated in the instructions.
No two guns are the same - and that is PRECISELY why you must back down ten percent from a maximum load to begin.0 -
I had the same issue with a 357. Hodgdon lists 6.2gr as a starting load but twice (yeah, we learn hard) I had 1 of 5 rounds with a pierced primer. 158gr plated bullet, WW standard SP primers.
I use 6 gr of 231 in my SBH with some dead soft swaged bullets I picked up years ago, no problem other than leading. No problems either with a 45 ACP.
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quote:Originally posted by Rocky Raab
I think you meant to say two tenths under, not two hundredths, but even two tenths is a meaningless reduction. Ten percent of 11 grains is at least a full grain. The loads listed in the Winchester brochure are maximum loads, NOT start loads, as clearly stated in the instructions.
No two guns are the same - and that is PRECISELY why you must back down ten percent from a maximum load to begin.
didnt recall it saying max load, and still cant find that wording in there booklet just 11.2 as a load.
i agree reduce the start by 10 and with this said
lee has a start at 10.1-11.2
speer 9.0-10.0
another speer book 10.6-11.6
hornady no listing
lyman no listing
so it looks like anywhere from 9.0-11.6 is suppose to work,
so i had some at 11.0 and max is 11.6 depends on what book you use.
gun was week at 11.0 bad pressure, 231 sux in my book for 44 mag.
thanks starmaster1953
i used the rest in the 45acp worked fine.0 -
IMHO 231 Is much to fast to be a good choice in a large volume case like a 44Mag not a bad powder for target loads in a 45ACP and smaller pistol rounds even down to a 25 AUTO.
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quote:Originally posted by perry shooter
IMHO 231 Is much to fast to be a good choice in a large volume case like a 44Mag not a bad powder for target loads in a 45ACP and smaller pistol rounds even down to a 25 AUTO.
THANKS PERRY
you WERE the one i was looking for .
i have been looking for you to chime in, seems your info is always on target.
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Only one of my relaoding books shows 231 for the 44 Mag...and a 240 gr bullet...max load was 10 gr. But I am with Perry on this one, to big of case and to fast of powder. 0
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