Sales to California
I have noticed lately alot of sellers state in their adds that they will not ship or sell to anyone in california.Maybe I missed something in my American Rifleman or the news but since I will be puting a rifle on gunbroker in the near future I would like to know if i should do the same?and why. I am not a FFL dealer. thanks
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This is my first sale ever on GB. I am not a shooter, but I'm a member of the NRA and a supporter of gun rights. That being said, I have made a sale of a rifle to California and have been told that there are different rules to selling to that state and that some dealers will not even sell there.
My question is; Can I send the rifle to his FFL dealer in CA myself or do I have to have a dealer in Illinois send it to his dealer?0 -
You can send your rifle via the post office, ups or fedex to your buyers FFL in CA. Having said that you need to make sure your buyer has a FFL who will accept a firearm from a non FFL. Some do and some don't. SOME CA dealers also charge an exorbitant amount to do the transfer( for example Turners a sporting good chain in southern CA charges $150 for out of state transfers-- if you live in CA for in state transfers they are bound by a set rate). If your buyer cannot find a dealer who will accept the gun from you then you can go to a local dealer and he can ship it-just make sure your buyer foots the bill. 0 -
As long as you are not a FFL dealer and the gun is not a assault rifle by CA LAW.10 round mags or smaller only and it fits in CA DOJ assault rifle rules.Check CA DOJ'S WEBSITEif you are not sure. 0 -
There are no problems involved with a private party shipping a firearm to a licensed dealer in CA so long as the dealer will accept shipments from a non licensee. It is the buyers responsibility to have his transfer dealer lined up so be sure he understands that you are not an FFL. 0 -
My understanding of shipping a gun TO California is that if it's from a private party there is no problem or additional paperwork needed, provided the gun fits within Ca law and it goes to a FFL, it's just like any other state. So why are so many dealers
refusing to sell to California? Can't they simply send the gun as a private party to a Ca. FFL? Seems to me they are loosing out on some serious sales. I questioned one seller on a gun I wanted but was "not for sale to Ca". He said that he, "just thought it was a hassle" and said that's what he sees everyone else doing! I set him straight and he was happy I did because after he removed the Ca restriction, the ONLY bid he got was from California. Seems to me that too many just assume it's "too difficult" to sell to a Ca. resident when in fact, if it's a Ca. legal gun, there is no "special dispensation" needed for a private party to sell here.0 -
quote:Originally posted by JoeFaz
My understanding of shipping a gun TO California is that if it's from a private party there is no problem or additional paperwork needed, provided the gun fits within Ca law and it goes to a FFL, it's just like any other state. So why are so many dealers
refusing to sell to California? Can't they simply send the gun as a private party to a Ca. FFL? Seems to me they are loosing out on some serious sales. I questioned one seller on a gun I wanted but was "not for sale to Ca". He said that he, "just thought it was a hassle" and said that's what he sees everyone else doing! I set him straight and he was happy I did because after he removed the Ca restriction, the ONLY bid he got was from California. Seems to me that too many just assume it's "too difficult" to sell to a Ca. resident when in fact, if it's a Ca. legal gun, there is no "special dispensation" needed for a private party to sell here.
The only way an FFL dealer could ship to California as a "private citizen" would be to transfer the gun from his FFL bound book to himself and then "resell" it to the California dealer as a non-FFL. That would make him an individual selling guns illegally and risking prosecution by ATF. No dealer in his right mind would do that.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by JoeFaz
My understanding of shipping a gun TO California is that if it's from a private party there is no problem or additional paperwork needed, provided the gun fits within Ca law and it goes to a FFL, it's just like any other state. So why are so many dealers
refusing to sell to California? Can't they simply send the gun as a private party to a Ca. FFL? Seems to me they are loosing out on some serious sales. I questioned one seller on a gun I wanted but was "not for sale to Ca". He said that he, "just thought it was a hassle" and said that's what he sees everyone else doing! I set him straight and he was happy I did because after he removed the Ca restriction, the ONLY bid he got was from California. Seems to me that too many just assume it's "too difficult" to sell to a Ca. resident when in fact, if it's a Ca. legal gun, there is no "special dispensation" needed for a private party to sell here.
The only way an FFL dealer could ship to California as a "private citizen" would be to transfer the gun from his FFL bound book to himself and then "resell" it to the California dealer as a non-FFL. That would make him an individual selling guns illegally and risking prosecution by ATF. No dealer in his right mind would do that.
Well, I guess that answers that, LOL! Not being an FFL holder, I obviously don't know the rules. But it's odd that a private person can ship a gun to an FFL in California with little restriction, while a FFL holder has to jump through hoops. Question, though. What makes it illegal for him to do it but not for a private citizen to do it?0 -
quote:Originally posted by JoeFaz
My understanding of shipping a gun TO California is that if it's from a private party there is no problem or additional paperwork needed, provided the gun fits within Ca law and it goes to a FFL, it's just like any other state. So why are so many dealers
refusing to sell to California?
FFL dealers are required to comply with CA's CFLC requirement. I think attempting to do anything "off license" so to speak runs into a whole host of problems, such as engaging in the business of selling firearms without a license - even though, the fellow has an FFL he is selling as a non-licensee and could violate that law. Hopefully that makes sense - the cold medication is starting to kick in. [:p]0
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