1917 enfield
Winchester 1917 enfield. Barrel is two grove,The finish looks parkerised, reciver etc blued. All dimentions are correct, Markings on barrel have flaiming bomb,etc. Question. Were these rifles reconditioned (rebarreled) etc at any point in time. Thanks.
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Looking for a military 1917 Enfield in all original condition. All I have found around here is 'sporterized' or 'cut down'.
Anybody know of a supplier with a stash of 'em in the back corner? I have checked online, Gun List and Shotgun News. Plenty of commie rifles but no '06 Enfields so far.
Thanks in advance for any help.0 -
Yes. The original configuration was a 5 groove barrel and blue finish. Two groove barrels were WW II era replacements.
I wonder that yours has a Parkerized barrel and blue receiver. This might be a sign that the barrel was put on after it was sold surplus. Going to take a collector to say for sure.0 -
YES, MANY WERE REBUILT (YOUR'S INCLUDED) FOR WW2. THE BARREL SHOULD HAVE A DATE IN BACK OF THE FRONT SIGHT. ALL ORIGINAL RIFLES HAVE 5 GROVE BARRELS. 0 -
The 2-groove replacement barrels are RH twist while the origional 5-groove were LH. That left twist is a nuisance since it unscrews your bore brush when cleaning! Incidently, a friend had a 1917 with a 2-groove barrel and it shot very well. 0 -
Thanks for all the information.You guys are great. 0 -
" That left twist is a nuisance since it unscrews your bore brush when cleaning! "..........WHAT, YOU DON'T HAVE A LEFT HANDED CLEANING ROD??[:D] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Ambrose
The 2-groove replacement barrels are RH twist while the origional 5-groove were LH. That left twist is a nuisance since it unscrews your bore brush when cleaning! Incidently, a friend had a 1917 with a 2-groove barrel and it shot very well.
Oh yeah, I got one, well it's my brother's now, that will light matches at 150 yards. Cool to find out that the original barrels were 5 land, I did not know that.0 -
"Cool to find out that the original barrels were 5 land, I did not know that".........that 5 grove thing was a 'hold over' from the original British p-14 design (the Brit's always were a little 'odd'). [:D] 0 -
Does this mean that all 1914 and 1917 enfield rifles that are chambered for the 303 british have 5 groove barrels? 0 -
jptatum: Yes, if they have the origional barrels. And, of course, there are no model 1917's chambered in .303 British.
This may be a bit off topic but, in my collection, I have a BSA (I believe it's called a Monarch) in .30/06 that also has a 5-groove LH twist.
I had always felt that, since the model 1917 was an expedient, war-time design, and that the .303 style rifling was retained, and that we used .303 specification barrels in producing 1917 rifles. However, in his book, "Hatcher's Notebook", General Hatcher states that the bore dia. was reduced from .303 to .300 and the groove depth was changed from .0058 depth to .005. And that since the lands and grooves were of equal width, the average dia. is .305. Since the lands are directly across from the grooves, there is no place in there where the dimension is different than .305. We are used to a 4-groove .300 bore with a .308 groove dia. Upon firing a .308 dia. bullet the lands engrave the bullet. .305 seems tight, doesn't it?
Again off topic: The strangest rifling I have is in a Model 30 Remington (The post-war civilian version of the model 1917) chambered for the .30 Remington cartridge. It has a 7-groove barrel! I discovered that by accident when picking up bullets off the ground in the spring that I had fired into the snow the previous winter.0
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