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  • Grousehawker
    Well, I guess the pic didn't turn out.
    I'll try again. . .
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  • Grousehawker
    Lets try this;

    http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp323/Grousehawker/?action=view&current=freedomarms-em.jpg&evt=user_media_share
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  • CS8161
    Did you know you can edit and change your post? Since these posts are usually locked after 10 replies, you have already used three spaces. Click on the little pencil icon, that will allow you to edit.
    I recently sold a Freedom Arms and it only went for about $350. With the buckle, you may get closer to $400 to the right collector.
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  • Grousehawker
    Thanks Chris, appreciate the info.
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  • nmyers
    ATF has ruled that certain belt buckle guns MAY be considered "any other weapons", subject to the National Firearms Act. You might want to get clarification before you list yours for sale.

    Neal

    EDIT: I was only thinking of the discussion in the FFL Newsletter (August 1997):
    " As defined in section 5845(e) of the National
    Firearms Act (NFA), the term "any other weapon"
    includes certain concealable weapons. Various
    types of disguised weapons such as cane guns, belt
    buckle guns, and briefcase guns (with remote
    control firing mechanisms) fall within the "any
    other weapon" category. It is unlawfil to make,
    possess, or transfer such firearms without
    complying with the provisions of the NFA."

    ATF has ruled that the combination of certain firearms AND the device that holds it is an AOW, requiring registration.
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  • beantownshootah
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    ATF has ruled that certain belt buckle guns MAY be considered "any other weapons", subject to the National Firearms Act. You might want to get clarification before you list yours for sale.

    Neal

    This is a good point, but based on what I know about this, NFA restriction doesn't apply here.

    NFA restriction would apply if you had a belt buckle gun that didn't resemble an ordinary gun. For example, something like this:

    im002056.jpg

    In this case the belt buckle isn't a gun (period). The gun is the gun, it doesn't appear to be anything else other than a gun, and the buckle doesn't act to conceal the gun.

    In effect, the buckle is just a decorated display holster for the gun, and NFA restrictions should not apply.

    Now, that said, one problem with belt-buckle carry like this is that you may fall into a legal gray zone.

    If you simply wear the buckle with the gun, that could be considered "open carry" which is illegal in many places. Conversely, it could just as easily be considered "concealed carry", also potentially illegal depending on jurisdiction.

    To be safe, I'd say there are only two ways you can legally get away with carrying a gun like this on a buckle:

    a. If you are permitted to carry concealed AND you ALSO cover up the buckle with a covering garment, unequivocally concealing it, or

    b. If in your particular jurisdiction you are permitted to carry both OPEN *and* CONCEALED. (There are a number of jurisdictions in the USA where this may be true, including but not limited to the State of VT, etc).
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  • Danny Taddei
    I know I'm almost a year late on this post... but I just found it. I really want one of these gun buckles. I can't find one though..... I live in LA where concealed and open carry have not yet fallen into socialist's hands - Long live the south!

    Any info on where to find something like this would be great.

    Thanks
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  • nmyers
    I have 2 suggestions:
    1) post your request on the forum WANT ADS,
    2) check the Gunbroker auction listings until you find someone with one for sale.

    Neal
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  • Danny Taddei
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    I have 2 suggestions:
    1) post your request on the forum WANT ADS,
    2) check the Gunbroker auction listings until you find someone with one for sale.

    Neal

    I found something like it from old germany but it's 6K

    Thanks for the direction. I'll post something there
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  • Mooseyard
    quote:Originally posted by beantownshootah
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    ATF has ruled that certain belt buckle guns MAY be considered "any other weapons", subject to the National Firearms Act. You might want to get clarification before you list yours for sale.

    Neal

    This is a good point, but based on what I know about this, NFA restriction doesn't apply here.

    NFA restriction would apply if you had a belt buckle gun that didn't resemble an ordinary gun. For example, something like this:

    im002056.jpg

    In this case the belt buckle isn't a gun (period). The gun is the gun, it doesn't appear to be anything else other than a gun, and the buckle doesn't act to conceal the gun.

    In effect, the buckle is just a decorated display holster for the gun, and NFA restrictions should not apply.

    Now, that said, one problem with belt-buckle carry like this is that you may fall into a legal gray zone.

    If you simply wear the buckle with the gun, that could be considered "open carry" which is illegal in many places. Conversely, it could just as easily be considered "concealed carry", also potentially illegal depending on jurisdiction.

    To be safe, I'd say there are only two ways you can legally get away with carrying a gun like this on a buckle:

    a. If you are permitted to carry concealed AND you ALSO cover up the buckle with a covering garment, unequivocally concealing it, or

    b. If in your particular jurisdiction you are permitted to carry both OPEN *and* CONCEALED. (There are a number of jurisdictions in the USA where this may be true, including but not limited to the State of VT, etc).



    I want one, where can I get one!![:D]
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