M1 GARAND "P" PROOF STAMP ON STOCK
I PURCHASED AN M1 GARAND SPRINGFIELD SER# 2251930 AT AN ESTATE SALE. GUN WAS KEPT IN A PRIVATE COLLECTION SINCE THE 50'S. BARREL IS STAMPED 11-43. ALL PARTS I HAVE CHECKED HAVE DWG. #'S FROM 1943. IT IS ORIGINAL PARKERIZATION & IN VERY GOOD CONDITION. THE STOCK IS WALNUT & ALSO IN VERY GOOD CONDITION EXCEPT SA/GAW & ORDNANCE STAMP CARTOUCH STAMPS ARE MISSING. THERE IS A VERY CLEAR "P" PROOF STAMP UNDER THE PISTOL GRIP.THIS GUN HAS NO CMP MARKINGS NOR IS IT AN IMPORT.
MY QUESTION IS, IF THIS STOCK WAS REPLACED AT A POST ARMORYWOULD THEY HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO PROOF STAMP THE "P" ON THE NEW STOCK? THEY OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO PROPER CARTOUCH NOR WAS IT NECESSARY UNDER POST ARMORY CONDITIONS. ANY OTHER OPINIONS ?? HELP!
MY QUESTION IS, IF THIS STOCK WAS REPLACED AT A POST ARMORYWOULD THEY HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO PROOF STAMP THE "P" ON THE NEW STOCK? THEY OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO PROPER CARTOUCH NOR WAS IT NECESSARY UNDER POST ARMORY CONDITIONS. ANY OTHER OPINIONS ?? HELP!
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First off, if you release your caps-lock button you can use lower case letters. Is the P inside a circle or is it there all by it's lonesome? Stand alone P and a P stamped inside a box are automatic indicators of rebuilt rifles that were re proven at depots or other facilities. It is also quite possible that the original stock was damaged and a replacement stock fitted in it's place. By the way, the CMP (nor the old DCM) do not mark their rifles. 0 -
Sorry about the caps..The "P" proof is in a circle not a square. I am not an expert on CPM or DCM rifles. What identifying features should I look for to prove the rifle is not CMP/DCM? I thought they were stamped for collectors to ID. How would a person know? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by wmjchastain
Sorry about the caps..The "P" proof is in a circle not a square. I am not an expert on CPM or DCM rifles. What identifying features should I look for to prove the rifle is not CMP/DCM? I thought they were stamped for collectors to ID. How would a person know?
How would a person know? The paper trail!!
What I mean is, DCM would have issued release papers with the rifle. Perhaps you'll find it in the decedant's files.
Now, not to sound snide, but drawing numbers are going to be rather 'static', and of itself will not date the rifle. It's the revision numbers you are refering to, correct?
If you have to wonder as to what I've just said, please post photos of the:
1. Top of bolt
2. Left side of the trigger group
3. Closeup of the gas cylinder/Rear sight on right side
4. Markings on the barrel (visible when bolt is locked open)
5. SerNo on the heel of the receiver
..and any other markings on the rifle. Best, Joe
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Your post immediately below: What you are refering to is the new CMP release stocks, or postwar arsenal re-work. It is not a CMP marking. The cartouche on the left side (Eagle/Stars in a box) indicates DoD acceptance. Postwar issue military ordnance had such a stamping, and do so to this day. I'll defer to others on the revision numbers, and what timeline they represent. Best, Joe0 -
Thanks for the help, Corpman. I too was in the Marines..Semper Fi!
trigger group D28290-12-SA, hammer C46008-3-SA, op rod D35382-9-SA,
bolt D28287-12-SA, barrel 11-43, ser # 2251930.
I was under the impression that CMP was stamping their replacement stocks with a 1/2"x1/2" CMP stamp right where the originals would be.0 -
Certain CMP rifles that were in otherwise excellent condition, but had sub par wood, have been fitted with replacement stocks marked with the the CMP "cartouche" but this practice has only been going on for a couple of years and it not universal, if the original wood was in decent shape it stayed on the rifle. If the rifle has been through over haul it will not have the original lock bar type rear sight. If it has the post war type sight then chances are it had it's stock replaced as well.
Does the rear sight look like these?
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The rear sights are definitely lock bar rear sights. The wood is in good shape. Walnut with no cracks, splits or splenters. just a few normal handling dings. My bet was it was replaced @ a post armory. Would they restamp it with a circle "P"?
Thanks...
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Probably just a salvaged stock from an otherwise damaged rifle. While today we'll throw away a couple of hundred billion to rebuild Iraq into a vacation paradise, back in the old days Uncle Sam was tight with his money and each M1 stock cost him five bucks, which made teh stock the fourth most expensive component part on the rifle (only the barrel, bolt and receiver cost more than the stock). As a result good stocks were always salvaged and reused. Does your stock have the WWII profile or is it a post war stock? We are not seeing any photos so there are limits to what we can envision. 0 -
Definitely a WWII profile. Sorry, I'm moving & can't send pics now. It's been in a collection since the 50's. I am interested in a $$$ value if all is "43 Springfield with just a "P" proof VS all correct cartouche. Don't know what the TE is yet but the 30.06 bullet trick for the muzzle was encouraging.
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A GAW marked stock in very nice shape is $300-$400 or about $200 for a chunk of wood which bears a faint GAW stamping, so adjust your values based on what it would cost to repalce the stock. 0 -
What do you think this gun is worth with the info I have given you? I am really curious because It's my first Garand & I hope I did well for my $$$. I am learning & really enjoy my new toy..
Thanks again,
Bill0
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