Brush bucking bullets
On another topic I mentioned that I don't believe in brush bucking qualities of flat nose or round nose bullets.I believe any bullet will deflect when the conditions are right and no-one can scientifically tell me that there is a difference no matter what the magazines say. Here is an example, I shot at a whitetail buck at approx 100 yds with an '06 and 150 gr spirepoint bullet loaded to approx. 3000 fps.The gun was sighted in at dead on at 100 yds from the bench. It shot 5/16" groups. Little 3 shot cloverleafs. I shot from a downed tree as a rest and was not shaking. A branch of a downed tree was covering his heart area. I held just above the branch and squeezed her off. A brown and white pile was laying on the ground.After a minute or so, I unloaded my gun,picked up my stuff and headed down there.Up and down little washes and when I got there the deer was gone! I didn't see him get up and run away while I walked down there. I found white hair and a piece of bone. White hair? From a lung shot or high shoulder? Uh,Uh.I looked around for that thing for an hour and his tracks got mixed up with a bunch of others. I lost him! I went back to my stand and relived the shot. There's no way I missed that bad! Then I saw a little sapling about 30ft away with the top half hanging along side of the trunk. The tree was about 1/2" around. I cut the thing with the bullet almost dead center and the bark and a little bit of wood was holding it on.I couldn't see it in the scope. The bullet still went almost 100 yds and still hit that deer. Even a round nosed bullet brush buster would have deflected in that situation IMHO. It's a one in a million thing but my point is my spirepoint was not to blame.That's all I'm saying and no round or flat nose bullet would have changed anything.I killed a buck once with one shot to the heart at approx. 225 yd with a 130 gr hollowpoint from that '06 through about 50 yds of tree tops,ridge to ridge. I guess it slipped through without touching anything? What do YOU think and tell us of your experiences.No, you don't need no high boots or to pull up your pant legs either LOL.
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I had a video some years back that I may still have and went into this in great detail. They placed a target some 50 yards behind all kinds of obsticles that one may encounter while out hunting. It didn't matter what caliber that was used including .50BMG every single bullet was upset some what by what ever it hit before it hit the target totally debunking the so called brush busting myth. 0 -
No such thing as Brush Bucking Bullet 0 -
There is no such thing as a bullet that will not deflect from bursh or even grass. The amount the bullet veers off target is dependant on how much rotational spin the bullet had left after being deflected, and how fast it restabalizes. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it!
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Have read the findings of one REAL forensic investigation into a hunter death- a 12 g SLUG was deflected about 30 degrees by contact with a small tree limb- and hit a hunter than was off to one side. ANYTHING can deflect- some more than others. 0 -
quote:What do YOU think and tell us of your experiences
I think the laws of physics still apply after a bullet leaves a muzzle.
Any projectile can be deflected by hitting things in mid-flight.
In general, all else being equal, more MOMENTUM (which is the product of velocity and mass) should tend to make heavier bullets somewhat more resistant to deflection, but no bullet is going to be immune.
Also, its next to impossible to predict exactly how a projectile is going to behave when it hits an intermediate obstacle. Small differences in where/how the bullet hits can translate into large differences in the flight path afterwards.
I think a good rule is that when practicable, try to avoid taking shots partially obscured by intermediate obstacles.0 -
A long time ago I saw a magazine article or video? I can't remember which- on this subject and the writer put small sticks maybe 10 ft in front of a target and shot at it like Armalite said. He used a bunch of different calibers and bullet profiles. Like Beantown said no bullet was immune. BUT, the best one to hit close to point of aim was a 12ga. foster type rifled slug. This was when that was the only slug made,that's how long ago this was.I actually had a guy tell me once that a 30 cal.165gr. Sierra hpbt would blow up on a blade of grass. BLOW UP!!! Another good one, a guy told my buddy that a 30-30 wasn't no good past 125 yds. After that the bullet would just stick in the fur.Soooo, 124 yds dead deer,126 yds bullet stuck in the fur. These guys have guns and they hunt too. 0 -
Once you start using bullets that weigh several pounds with 2-3 digit diameters (and a HE charge), small bits of brush don't matter anymore [}:)][:D] 0 -
Some guys think that's what they have when they shoot at running deer at 300 yds with a model 94 30-30. I seen it. 0 -
I agree, no such thing as an un-affected bullet once it hits an obstacle.
My worst deflection came the first time I hunted after I came home from the Army. My uncle and cousin walked up the canyon floor and I walked up the ridge above them. Sure enough, they pushed a buck out and up into a little bowl that I come to. This 4 pt. didn't feel like moving along too well, and he stopped about 70 yds from me. There was one little juniper branch between me and him. Sure enough I hit it and watched a perfectly stabilized shot, aimed at the center of his chest, clear the bottom of his chest by about 3". He left the country in a hurry and I didn't get a deer that trip. I ended up taking a forky on my next trip. I made certain the path was clear on that shot.0 -
I had a 150yd shot across a perfectly wide open field result in a complete clean miss from the prone position with 30-06. As I walked across the field to see what happened I came across a blown down telephone line with a slight crease mark on the 2 strand 1/4 in bell wire. Here a recent storm had pulled the wire down to near ground and was exactly across the demarcation line between field and tree line, invisible to me. called the phone company and they thanked me! I imagine the deer was pleased too.
I think if you wanted to do a visual demonstration of deflection try some 30-06 tracers in dense close cover, in the dead of winter, with lots of snow to absorb the hot rounds.0
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