M-16 TO M-15 ???
Can you take M-16 parts and cut,grind,mill, them into the M-15 specs??? Then use them in a AR-15 unit???
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Don't let the feds catch you with the M 16 parts, if you have a AR 15. Even if there not installed, just being in possession along with the 15, is liable to cause you severe problems. 0 -
This shows the physical differences between AR15 & M16 parts. The only parts you could convert would probably be the disconnector, hammer and bolt carrier. The others would require adding material. You would be better off just tossing the M-16 parts and buying new AR parts.
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An AR 15 lower parts kit costs all of about $50.00 or so, cutting and grinding the various parts hardly seems worth it. Regarding the M16 BCG, I see them on sale quite often and although I hesitate to take the "everybody does it so it must be OK" approach I do tend to lean that way on having and using the M16 bolt in an AR 15. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe an M16 BCG alone a machine gun makes.
Edit: A "M16 BCG for sale" search brings up all sorts of hits from on line sellers. IIRC the M16 BCG is liked for use with the 9mm AR uppers too. As mentioned, the part that is considered the MG is the part that has no function other than to allow a firearm full auto function- that part, such as the DIAS, is by itself considered the "machine gun".0 -
Doug, I believe your right. I think I heard somewhere that using an M-16 BCG in an AR was OK since it was a part that works in both guns and is not necessarily an M16 only part. 0 -
The fellas are right: Altering M16 fire control components to AR-15 SP1 configuration is specifically permitted --- see ATF P5300-4 page 156.
But, as Doug points out, there is no point. I can't imagine anyone with the needed skill wasting his time on such a project.
ATF has ruled that an M16 BCG alone can be installed in any AR-type rifle.
You may possess any & all M16 FCG parts you want. But, if you install any of them in an AR-type rifle AND it can be made to fire > 1 time with a single trigger pull, you have screwed the pooch.
Neal
"Parts is parts." ---- Frank Purdue0 -
quote:Originally posted by nmyers
The fellas are right: Altering M16 fire control components to AR-15 SP1 configuration is specifically permitted --- see ATF P5300-4 page 156.
But, as Doug points out, there is no point. I can't imagine anyone with the needed skill wasting his time on such a project.
ATF has ruled that an M16 BCG alone can be installed in any AR-type rifle.
You may possess any & all M16 FCG parts you want. But, if you install any of them in an AR-type rifle AND it can be made to fire > 1 time with a single trigger pull, you have screwed the pooch.
Neal
"Parts is parts." ---- Frank Purdue
You may possess any & all M16 FCG parts you want.
NOT true !! being in possession of M16 FCG is illegal unless you have the ATF required documents.
be careful out there !!0 -
quote:Originally posted by USN_Airdale
quote:Originally posted by nmyers
The fellas are right: Altering M16 fire control components to AR-15 SP1 configuration is specifically permitted --- see ATF P5300-4 page 156.
But, as Doug points out, there is no point. I can't imagine anyone with the needed skill wasting his time on such a project.
ATF has ruled that an M16 BCG alone can be installed in any AR-type rifle.
You may possess any & all M16 FCG parts you want. But, if you install any of them in an AR-type rifle AND it can be made to fire > 1 time with a single trigger pull, you have screwed the pooch.
Neal
"Parts is parts." ---- Frank Purdue
You may possess any & all M16 FCG parts you want.
NOT true !! being in possession of M16 FCG is illegal unless you have the ATF required documents.
be careful out there !!
The spirit of the post is to engage in the legality of having/having not a machinegun. In order to have a machinegun the receiver, or the Single Part that ATF determines, is to have a SerNo, and the SerNo is recorded with ATF.
So, an auto sear, or the 'lightning link' needs to be stamped with a SerNo, and be registered.
There are no parts yet to be approved by ATF that would create a machinegun. They must exist already.
So, the parts of an M-16 are Okay, because ATF had no interest in registering the FCG on M-16's. Remember: the lightning link is not an M-16 part. We're only talking about what a true M-16 uses internally.
So long as ATF can't prove intent to manufacture a machinegun (don't have an AR-15 and the parts at the same time), you are good to go with M-16 parts posession by themselves.
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The answer to the question is that yes, you probably could grind M16 fire control parts into legal AR-15 parts, but as a matter of practice its probably not worth the bother since AR-15 parts are otherwise cheap and readily available.
The issue of possessing "machine gun" parts is complicated for two reasons.
First of all, in certain jurisdictions, machine gun fire control parts are themselves legally considered machine guns. So in a state like that, mere possession of M16 parts. . .even without a receiver. . .is a felony.
Next, the BATFE has a doctrine of "constructive possession" meaning that if you have all the parts necessary to construct a functional machine gun (or even most of them) you're legally considered to possess the completed machine gun.
The idea is just to prevent someone from, say, taking the sear out of their illegal machine gun, putting it in a drawer, than claiming that their illegal machine gun isn't one since it can't fire more than one shot with one trigger pull.
The practical upshot of this rule is that if you possess a bag of M16 parts, and a completely assembled AR-15 gun capable of accepting them (or even worse, a bare receiver capable of accepting them), then you may run afoul of "constructive possession" and you could be criminally liable.
The fire control parts and the receiver don't even have to be in the same physical place. So long as you maintain control over each of them separately you're potentially liable. And yes, people HAVE been prosecuted for "constructive possession" so its not just a theoretical concern.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Laredo Lefty
Doug, I believe your right. I think I heard somewhere that using an M-16 BCG in an AR was OK since it was a part that works in both guns and is not necessarily an M16 only part.
My Bushmaster came with a M-16 BCG in it new. I got it about 15yrs. ago.0 -
We have been down this road before. There is nothing that prevents the simple possession of M16 parts. This is quite unlike the possession of the specific parts which convert an M1 carbine to selective fire (M2) configuration. Those M2 parts are in and of themselves considered to be a machine gun, whether or not you actually have an M1 Carbine. You are free to take M16 parts and modify them to AR-15 specs and then use them in an AR-15 rifle. If your machining skills are good enough to match the profile of the OEM AR-15 parts then go for it. If you are just a handy with a Dremel Tool and figure to "get it close enough" then you can count on all sorts of functioning problems. 0
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