Old DCM & CMP?
Howdy,
Been years ago when bought arms/ammo from the old DCM-- never have from the new(er) CMP, having only looked around the web-site.
Reading the H&R M-1 post got me to thinking... is the firearm grading the same? I cannot recall DCM's, as why am asking.
Also, does papered, same condition firearm from DCM carry more value than it's CPM's litte brother? Just something about a U.S Army armory rather than a civilian corperation doing the hands-on gives me only a personal opinion, biased as is as only seen the highly respected work of the former.
Set me straight, one way or another and I'll shut-up.
45er
Been years ago when bought arms/ammo from the old DCM-- never have from the new(er) CMP, having only looked around the web-site.
Reading the H&R M-1 post got me to thinking... is the firearm grading the same? I cannot recall DCM's, as why am asking.
Also, does papered, same condition firearm from DCM carry more value than it's CPM's litte brother? Just something about a U.S Army armory rather than a civilian corperation doing the hands-on gives me only a personal opinion, biased as is as only seen the highly respected work of the former.
Set me straight, one way or another and I'll shut-up.
45er
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The only thing they really did was to change the name. 0 -
Grading has changed over the years.
DCM was only a Dept of Defense office in Washington, DC; they never saw a gun. They processed orders, & guns were shipped from various arsenals directly to the buyer. DCM guns were generally "unclassified unserviceable"; they could be anywhere from worn out to brand new. Paperwork was always typed.
CMP initially did not grade guns. I don't know the year that they started grading, or when the paperwork was printer generated. I guess CMP paperwork could be forged, but you call always call/email CMP to verify if they sold a specific gun. Whatever, paperwork will increase the value when selling a gun, especially if it is collector grade.
CMP's definition of "collector grade" has also changed over the years.
Neal0 -
The old DCM shipped M1s rated as:Safe To Fire...And that was the extent of their interest or obligation.
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As Neal already mentioned, this meant that the rifle could be virtually brand new or well worn, it all depended just what was sitting on top of the pile when the order came in. The US Army ran the program, sold a few thousand M1s each year and pretty much wanted nothing to do with it. In fact it was the Army that was sending M1s to "Capt. Crunch" (not Bill Clinton) because they had no use for half century old service rifles and with sales amounting to a few hundred a month they simply wanted to get rid of them rather then keep them in inventory. During the first couple of years the new CMP sold only M1s which were rated as Service Grades and early on it would have actually have been possible to have received a Service Grade M1 in what would now be considered Collector Grade condition, but it did not take long for additional grades to be added in order to more closely balance the price of the rifle with it's condition.0 -
They also changed the prices. CMP would not honor the order I had on file for a M1 Carbine from the DCM.
It states that "The present allotment of M1 Carbines for sale to NRA members has been exhaused. No information is available at this time as to whether or not another allotment of Carbines will be obtainable to NRA members.
NRA will continue to accept requests and place them on a waiting list. These will be numbered and filed numerically. Your record number appears on the front of this special message.
................. Your voucher will be sent if another Carbine allotment is released for sale."
When I asked if they would honor these orders the response I recieved was "I appreciate the humor."0 -
Got it, thanks.
(And guess I can't keep my yap shut, ha)... yeah, the bean counters and paper pushers already aware of...
{ http://www.nraila.org/issues/factsheets/read.aspx?id=104 },
... though didn't recall the crap-shoot about DCM rifle condition and reason the inquiry. Guess got lucky with, and with many others seen in the past.
Good to know the CMP narrows the field in rating.
EDIT Well then, anybody else's in-put about this part of the inquiry?--"Also, does papered, same condition firearm from DCM carry more value than it's CPM's litte brother?"? And thanks Steve45 for your acknowledgement on it.
(It was but a two-part question that thought could be answered muy pronto, as why didn't use the EDIT beforehand. But suppose maybe others could use all the other added extra stuff?).
45er0 -
All the old DCM sales recored have been sent to Rock Island for storage. If you get a friendly person there, they may look up the history of a DCM sale. 0 -
My early serial numbered DCM Harrington & Richardson M1 rifle, pictured in another thread, cost me $165.00 in 1986. It was when you could only purchase one rifle in a lifetime. It took nine months from initial paperwork to when the rifle was delivered. 0 -
Some purchasers of M1's perceive that a DCM M-1 is more valuable than a CMP M-1. Be careful what you call it when you sell it. 0 -
Ohh, to have known then what is a fact now...
Those m1 carbines we returned cause of politics.0 -
As soon as I see the word politics mentioned I know that we are headed off in another direction. Lets call it quits on this one. 0
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