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S&W 659 question

fl23in
ok so i just picked up a bnib 659 9mm and would really like to do some stuff to it, however i cannot find options (might just be me).

i want a shorter trigger pull and lighter also

i also would like to change up the rear sight (maybe front), the rear is a target sight and is HUGE and IMO not great for fast targeting.

Anybody got any links or idea's were to get.

thanks
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  • nmyers
    You can't do much to improve the trigger on older S&W semi-autos. I had a gunsmith do a "trigger job" on my 669; while the action was no longer as gritty, the length of pull & trigger weight didn't seem to be much better. You can't shorten the trigger pull or make it lighter, as these are caused by the geometry of the parts & strength of the springs.

    The 659 came with either a fixed or target rear sight. Both used a serrated 1/8" serrated ramp front sight. Your gunsmith can install a factory fixed rear sight for a reasonable price, & that won't lower the value of your gun, as any other sight modification would.

    Neal
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  • andrewsw16
    If it is like my original M59, you can get rid of the magazine trigger disconnect. On mine, you just take the rear sight off and dump out the little metal piece and its spring and then put the rear sight back on. Voila. The trigger will now work even without a magazine. Save the little part and spring in case you ever decide to pass the gun on to another owner. [:)]
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  • fl23in
    ok thanks guys sure do appricate the info. Yes mine does have the target rear sight. i was looking at a S&W tactical today and really like the sights on that however the dovetail groove is way bigger on mine.

    Btw i do not want to loose the trigger/mag stop
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  • Mobuck
    The question that comes to my mind is: if you didn't like these aspects of the pistol from the start, why did you buy it? There are so many options on the pistol market at this time that almost any wishlist can be accommodated.
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  • fl23in
    quote:Originally posted by Mobuck
    The question that comes to my mind is: if you didn't like these aspects of the pistol from the start, why did you buy it? There are so many options on the pistol market at this time that almost any wishlist can be accommodated.


    no i did like the gun i said i would like to improve. Just like a 1911 (i own) and many others why do anything they work right? Cause we want a better gun.
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  • CS8161
    If it ain't broke...don't fix it is my philosophy.
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  • Txs
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    You can't do much to improve the trigger on older S&W semi-autos. I had a gunsmith do a "trigger job" on my 669; while the action was no longer as gritty, the length of pull & trigger weight didn't seem to be much better. You can't shorten the trigger pull or make it lighter, as these are caused by the geometry of the parts & strength of the springs.

    The 659 came with either a fixed or target rear sight. Both used a serrated 1/8" serrated ramp front sight. Your gunsmith can install a factory fixed rear sight for a reasonable price, & that won't lower the value of your gun, as any other sight modification would.

    Neal
    That pretty much sums it up.

    Pull length on these pistols simply is what it is and the weight can't be decreased much at all without causing reliability issues. Having someone who knows what they're doing polish a few specific areas to smooth grittiness is about the extent of possible trigger pull improvement.

    A point for the OP to pay attention to is that his pistol has the correct parts. The 659 is what's known as a 2nd Generation S&W autopistol. Their firing pin safety feature was introduced on these types but they sometimes left the factory with older 1st Gen hammers due to S&W using up old stock parts.

    This style hammer has a safety notch which is really unnecessary with the firing pin block feature. On a 1st Gen hammer, during the initial part of the trigger pull a distinct CLICK can be felt through your trigger finger as this notch clears. Simply dropping in the correct hammer will clean this right up.

    That being said...

    The OP doesn't specify, but it's the DA pull on these type pistols which tends to bug users. Coming from someone with extensive revolver experience (yeah, I began old school [;)]), a DA trigger's weight isn't near as big of an issue as it's smoothness and consistency.

    Once proper trigger control is trained, DA accuracy can be amazing - if the gun has a good trigger.
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  • fl23in
    ^ thank ya Txs. yea i fired it agian with more time to really feel the gun out rather than just throw somedown range. But yes DA is were my complaint is only. but i am working on unholstering, and hammer back in one motion. Also there is no "CLICK" in DA. I serouisly dont think i will be having anything done, since i know it is all orignal, i may paint front sight to help targeting fast but thats it
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  • CSI21
    Karl Sokol of Chestnut Mountain Sports may be able to help you, give him a call.
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