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Police officer transfer question.

bigtire
Got the following email:

Hi,I am a police officer in Ohio and am interested in the auction for the Hastings 20ga single shot shotgun.I am able to take possession of the gun if it is shipped directly to the police department.If I bid on it would you have a problem with doing this? Please let me know.Thanks, and also I am able to provide any info you may need to insure this is a legitimate transaction.

I don't think this is legal. Am I right?

Thanks
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  • cpermd
    You are correct
    He is lying

    CP
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  • Spider7115
    You are right. It sounds like a setup.
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  • hillbille
    would/could the armorer be an FFL???????
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  • rsnyder55
    Doesn't it have to be on department letterhead signed by the chief stating it is for official use?
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  • givette
    quote:Originally posted by bigtire
    Got the following email:

    Hi,I am a police officer in Ohio and am interested in the auction for the Hastings 20ga single shot shotgun.I am able to take possession of the gun if it is shipped directly to the police department.If I bid on it would you have a problem with doing this? Please let me know.Thanks, and also I am able to provide any info you may need to insure this is a legitimate transaction.

    I don't think this is legal. Am I right?

    Thanks

    Dear officer Jones: Yes, it can be done! I will need the license number of your department's Federal Firearms Licensee (you know, the person responsible for incoming firearms shipments to the department). Just the first, second, and last number groups off his license is what I'll need, and I will gladly ship to the address as it appears on the license. Thanks, Mr. B. Tire.

    ....how's that? You have my permission to use [item in blue, above] verbatim, if you want to 'toy' with him a little.....

    Hell, 'ya never know! He may very well respond back with the FFL E-Z check information!

    If you are not an FFL, then you don't need a hard-copy of the FFL..just the E-Z info for verification.

    Best, Joe (let us know if you wish to take this any further..I'd like to see how it pans out).

    https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/
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  • EOD Guy
    quote:Originally posted by rsnyder55
    Doesn't it have to be on department letterhead signed by the chief stating it is for official use?

    Yes, but I don't think this can be done by an unlicensed individual, only a dealer.
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  • CS8161
    I believe that if the firearm will be used for duty use, and he has a letter from his chief authorizing the purchase on PD letterhead than it is perfectly legal to ship the gun to the Police Department.
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  • Riomouse911
    Every time I bought a personal gun using letterhead it was through an FFL, and the letterhead was only to waive the 10-day waiting period in Ca. I still had to fill out the DROS with the receiving FFL on every purchase I've made. Maybe the Ohio laws are different in this area I don't know, but I'd stick to the Federal laws governing the sale and ship to his FFL in order to CYA.

    If he has no FFL, he's trying to game you... or a cheapskate who doesn't want to pay the receiving dealers' fee.
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  • Mobuck
    I had a Deputy from a contigous state try that on a handgun purchase a couple of years ago. Didn't work and he ended up paying $20 for his local FFL to receive the package.
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  • Txs
    quote:Originally posted by givette
    Dear officer Jones: Yes, it can be done! I will need the license number of your department's Federal Firearms Licensee (you know, the person responsible for incoming firearms shipments to the department).Government entities do not require an FFL to receive firearms - even NFA items, but only if they are bonafide LE agency purchases.

    In other words, an individual officer cannot have firearms sold to him but shipped to his agency under this exemption.

    If a firearm is sold/shipped to an agency and they later choose to transfer it's ownership to an individual officer that's their affair. However, with initial inquiry correspondence clearly stating this gun is intended to go to an individual I wouldn't transfer it even if a letterhead was later received showing it's an agency purchase. That would put the seller in the straw purchase realm.
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  • givette
    quote:Originally posted by Txs
    quote:Originally posted by givette
    Dear officer Jones: Yes, it can be done! I will need the license number of your department's Federal Firearms Licensee (you know, the person responsible for incoming firearms shipments to the department).Government entities do not require an FFL to receive firearms - even NFA items, but only if they are bonafide LE agency purchases.

    In other words, an individual officer cannot have firearms sold to him but shipped to his agency under this exemption.

    If a firearm is sold/shipped to an agency and they later choose to transfer it's ownership to an individual officer that's their affair. However, with initial inquiry correspondence clearly stating this gun is intended to go to an individual I wouldn't transfer it even if a letterhead was later received showing it's an agency purchase. That would put the seller in the straw purchase realm.

    Only if a 4473 has to be filled out. The law is broken when question (four, I think), is knowingly falsified. No for agency purchase, yes, for private transfer. The straw violation occurrs when you falsify the document. No document....well, you know what I mean.

    Now, I knew of the above as you've indicated. I was hoping the OP would use my verbiage, just to see how the potential buyer would respond. Sorry for not being more clear. I'll try better next time (I think)

    [:D]
    Joe
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