windham weaponry
What is the deal with this? this was a bushmaster plant that was shutdown , and former employees now make ar15 type rifles named windham weaponry? It is my understanding, the bushmaster trademark is owned by parent company of remington? My bushmaster xm15 was made 1998 and says windham me, .. enough said. does anyone have a windham rifle that they would like to chime in on, cause i am about ready to find me one of these, maybe 2 to help these guys out for all their years of quality rifles. thanks
http://www.pressherald.com/news/New-rifle-company-takes-over-Bushmaster-plant.html
http://www.pressherald.com/news/New-rifle-company-takes-over-Bushmaster-plant.html
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I would check out the various AR forums on the net, prior to purchase. Sometimes new production/limited production arms from manufacturers just starting production have teething problems.
The gun business like the rest of the economy is feeling the effects of high unemployment and the housing market in the toilet. You don't want to get stuck with a AR lemon from a outfit that goes out of business in 6 months.0 -
quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
I would check out the various AR forums on the net, prior to purchase. Sometimes new production/limited production arms from manufacturers just starting production have teething problems.Agreed, but the odds of their rifles being acceptable quality casual use AR's are pretty good.
You have primarily former Bushmaster managers overseeing primarily former Bushmaster workers using former Bushmaster tooling with former Bushmaster raw products obtained by the former Bushmaster owner.
It remains to be seen, but the end product should be predictable.0 -
This is interesting. I don't know anything about Windham.
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It would seem to me that when Remington Bought them they would have signed a non-compete. Maybe that is expired.
It wou But, I didn't know anything about Rock River when I first bought one of them in about '02-'03ish. I only regretted having to sell it when I did. Because it was a good rifle. I also didn't know about Del-ton, or Lewis Machine and tool, or Cerro(sp?). Now, I pretty much like them all as they have all shown to be pretty good in their tolerances.
It's pretty much a few companies that make the castings or extrude the billets. Everybody else sticks them in their CNC milling machine and makes all the cuts. For the most part, with the exception of Hesse/vulcan I've found that most of them are good. Some names are just going to bring a premium.0 -
quote:Originally posted by sandwarrior
It's pretty much a few companies that make the castings or extrude the billets. Everybody else sticks them in their CNC milling machine and makes all the cuts. For the most part, with the exception of Hesse/vulcan I've found that most of them are good. Some names are just going to bring a premium.The quality of a completed AR depends upon much more than the billet it's receiver was machined from. 90+% of any gun's parts list - and how everything is assembled - can't realistically be viewed as mere details.
This is what makes the difference between a well built, good shooting AR you're willing to stake lives on and a piece of crap that looks good while sitting there on a dealer's rack.
In response to high consumer demand tons of AR manufacturers have sprung up over the past 10 years or so. This market is highly competitive and due to the average owner's general lack of knowledge on how to spot poor quality and corner cutting there are only a few who actually produce a quality product.
With these you're paying for more than just a name. If you ever ride one hard alongside others who are using lower quality rifles you'll see where your extra money went. The devil is in the details.0 -
Get a Colt 6920.
Windhams are still not MilSpec, just like bushmasters are not.
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quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by sandwarrior
It's pretty much a few companies that make the castings or extrude the billets. Everybody else sticks them in their CNC milling machine and makes all the cuts. For the most part, with the exception of Hesse/vulcan I've found that most of them are good. Some names are just going to bring a premium.The quality of a completed AR depends upon much more than the billet it's receiver was machined from. 90+% of any gun's parts list - and how everything is assembled - can't realistically be viewed as mere details.
This is what makes the difference between a well built, good shooting AR you're willing to stake lives on and a piece of crap that looks good while sitting there on a dealer's rack.
In response to high consumer demand tons of AR manufacturers have sprung up over the past 10 years or so. This market is highly competitive and due to the average owner's general lack of knowledge on how to spot poor quality and corner cutting there are only a few who actually produce a quality product.
With these you're paying for more than just a name. If you ever ride one hard alongside others who are using lower quality rifles you'll see where your extra money went. The devil is in the details.
Txs,
I would agree with what you're saying if it were all hand machined. Today the programs are sold with the tooling as well as the specs. And, it's no longer proprietary really. The specs are out of the bag so to speak.
Yes, I will agree that during assembly, being able to determine what is and is not acceptable to your, or ones company standards, will or won't make a better AR. But, again I refer to machines cutting the parts being CNC, with programs and tooling to back them. If these were hand cut on mills I would totally agree with you. But, for the most part today, everything is very uniform in comparison with 20, even ten years ago.
It's not details today. What used to be details, is now routinely tighter capabilities with tolerances.
However, in regards to what I said, "Some names are going to bring a premium." That would be the true indicator here, as you said. A company who manufactures the parts together with matching tools. Then, puts the parts together to very stringent torques. You are going to end up with a better rifle than one that just runs it through the system then puts it together.
If there is any doubt about the mix and match parts, I have an RRA (pieces) 5.56 that shoots right at MOA. I have a 6.5 Grendel (pieces) that shoots .5 MOA @ 300 yds.0 -
my bushmasters seem to accept milspec parts , 0 -
Today's AR receiver uppers/lowers are all tooled to CNC specification programmed into the computer prior to the first machining step.
That part of 'milspec' is a non-issue (product dimension).
So, when someone says 'not MILSPEC', one can only assume that the metal used is not the correct alloy formula, or not heat-treated to specification, or the finish hasn't met the standard set by the Gov't.
There's a lot to MILSPEC/non-MILSPEC..much more than size and shape.
Joe
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Below is a link to a discussion some time ago that referenced MILSPEC. Best, Joe
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bushmaster did supply a small contract of M16 to the goverment 0 -
quote:Originally posted by fordsix
bushmaster did supply a small contract of M16 to the goverment
Actually they were M4's and only a very small number were produced back in the early 90's. This quickly ended because DoD had violated standing contracts by release of the Colt owned technical data package to Bushmaster.
Bushmaster rifles have been purchased by our government - not necessarily US military - and are seen handed out by alphabet agencies. A lot of these found their way to Russia during the Georgian war.
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