Ammo Id

Emmett Dunham

October 24, 2011 08:36

,,,,need help identifying what appears to be miniature shotgun shells,,,,,they are no larger than a .22LR and are loaded with sawdust like substance,,,,,have pix but unable to get them to post on GB,,,,,any ideas what they might be used for ?????????

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  Emmett Dunham

  October 24, 2011 08:36

  I think I know what it is but just double checking.
  
  I have about 700 rds of copper colored .308 ammo. It is stamped 61 on the top and 92 on the bottom.
  
  I think it is Chinese made in 92......

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  ammo guy

  October 24, 2011 12:24

  The .38 Special is the US military load(M41) with the 130 gr FMC bullet. Probably made by Winchester/Western. The .45 is a load made by Frankfort Arsenal, head stamp may indicate mfg date of Sep/1937. This again is the standard 230 gr military load.

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  Stack

  October 25, 2011 02:45

  I believe the M41 .38 Special cartridge was developed in the early 1950s for use in the aluminum cylinder and frame Colt and Smith & Wesson M13 Aircrewman revolvers.

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  Riomouse911

  October 25, 2011 07:11

  http://cartridgecollectors.org/
  
  They have all sorts of info.

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  Txs

  October 25, 2011 09:33

  They've all been designated M41, but there have actually been three different iterations of this USGI ammunition. The only thing they have in common is that they each use a 130 gr. FMJ bullet.
  
  Cartridge, Caliber .38, Ball M41 was a lower pressure load introduced in the mid-50's and has been stated was to accommodate the lightweight aircrew handguns which were originally equipped with aluminum cylinders.
  
  Cartridge, Caliber .38 Ball, Special, M41 was a slightly higher pressure loading which came out in the early 60's after those aluminum cylindered guns were no longer being issued.
  
  Each of these rounds appear the same and can only be identified by nomenclature markings on their containers or in some cases the year on their headstamping. Overlapping did occur.
  
  Caliber .38 Special, Ball, High Velocity was a +P level loading. This was a USAF-only round introduced in the mid-70's for use in what was their standard issue handgun at that time, the S&W M15.
  
  In addition to the change in nomenclature, each container of this ammunition is also marked with the designation PGU-12/B. The rounds themselves are also easily identified by their elongated case which is crimped up over the ogive of the bullet, with not much more than the tip of it's FMJ bullet visible.

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  Emmett Dunham

  October 25, 2011 19:45

  The boxes and ammo are in very good condition. What should I advise him about value? Keep the ammo, sell it or shoot it.
  
  Emmett

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  givette

  October 28, 2011 08:51

  The first lot of Frankford Arsenal .45 ACP non corrosive ammo was (is?) 1542. Manufactured Jul 1954.
  
  So, if your lot is earlier, corrosive. Later, Non corrosive. Headsatmped FA 55 and later is a total guarantee of non corrosive FA .45 ball M1911 ammo. Hope I helped. Joe

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