260 remington build
Alright fellas, I have a couple of questions. Finally going to pull the trigger on a 260 build (no long the 7mm wsm due to recoil and lots of research).
If I were to buy a remington 700 ADL in a youth 243 with the x pro trigger, will that suffice? I.E. Sell the barrel, stock, xpro trigger scope (its a package) and mounts just to keep the action. Then...
Upgrade to a mcmillian a-3 adjustable stock, 26" krieger barrel, better mounts and optics, detachable magazine and then a jewell trigger and a bipod.
Can that be done to a youth 700 action or am I figuring something wrong? Are all Remington 700 actions created equal (SPS, XCR, VTR, BDL, ADL)???? I am only talking about the action. I am aware that they are all are different bolt faces, long vs short, etc.
This build (hopefully) will introduce me to the 600 yard club with a nice tactical 260 remington?
The 260 is a light recoiling round that can send bullets down range at exceptional FPS with great B.C. I think that it is a great round. Now that lapua makes brass for it as well with maximum consistency.
The main purpose of this build is to shoot at 600+ yards and maybe hunting long range.
Thank you for all your help and time that is invested to my confusing question.
I really appreciate it.
Best,
-Joe
p.s. anyone want to buy a 1938 Nagoya arisaka with the mum intact to fund my new project (all original).
Thanks!
If I were to buy a remington 700 ADL in a youth 243 with the x pro trigger, will that suffice? I.E. Sell the barrel, stock, xpro trigger scope (its a package) and mounts just to keep the action. Then...
Upgrade to a mcmillian a-3 adjustable stock, 26" krieger barrel, better mounts and optics, detachable magazine and then a jewell trigger and a bipod.
Can that be done to a youth 700 action or am I figuring something wrong? Are all Remington 700 actions created equal (SPS, XCR, VTR, BDL, ADL)???? I am only talking about the action. I am aware that they are all are different bolt faces, long vs short, etc.
This build (hopefully) will introduce me to the 600 yard club with a nice tactical 260 remington?
The 260 is a light recoiling round that can send bullets down range at exceptional FPS with great B.C. I think that it is a great round. Now that lapua makes brass for it as well with maximum consistency.
The main purpose of this build is to shoot at 600+ yards and maybe hunting long range.
Thank you for all your help and time that is invested to my confusing question.
I really appreciate it.
Best,
-Joe
p.s. anyone want to buy a 1938 Nagoya arisaka with the mum intact to fund my new project (all original).
Thanks!
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so you have chosen the savage action. That is a fine choice, as long as you have it trued by a gunsmith. I would also opt for a fixed recoil lug, as has been done on many savage actions. Savage actions use a barrel nut design, which I would negate for the use of a rem700 style recoil lug.
The stock will need to be pillar bedded if you want the best accuracy you can get. The use of the Kreiger tube you have mentioned is a superb choice.0 -
sandwarrior,
Here are the two descriptions for comparison:
6mm DASHER
The popular Dasher is very accurate and has set many records. It has a bit more neck than the BRX. Gunsmith Dan Dowling is credited with its invention. It offers about 3.5 grains (10%) more case capacity than the standard 6BR--good for an extra +130 fps with a 105gr bullet. Effective out to 1000 yds, the Dasher holds the NBRSA 6-target 1000-yard world record Agg. Pacific Tool & Gauge (Dave Kiff) is a good source for 6 Dasher reamers. Specs: 40? shoulder, blown forward .10", Neck-length = .246". Requires Custom Dies.
6 BRX
The 6 BRX is the brainchild of champion F-class shooter Bob Crone. It leaves the shoulder angle unchanged so you can use regular 6mm BR dies, though a custom reamer is required to cut the chamber. While 6 Dashers seem more common, the 6 BRX offers equivalent performance with lower tooling cost. For that reason, the 6 BRX may be the smart "improved" choice if you want more velocity from your 6BR. Clymer Tools has the reamer for the 6 BRX, using Crone's original design. Pacific Tool & Gauge also has BRX-style reamers. Specs: 30? standard shoulder, blown forward .10", neck-length = .210". Can use standard dies, but the case will not fit a standard chamber.
While the BRX gives up a little capacity by using the standard shoulder angle of the 6mm BR Norma case, velocities will be right up there with the 6 Dasher. Here is a report we received recently from Scott Parker in California: "I have just worked up loads for my 6BRX. It is a Barnard action in a Mastin stock with a Broughton barrel at 31". I started by trying a ladder test at 100 yds. I loaded 11 rounds covering 32.5 grains to 35.0 grains of Varget with mollied Sierra 107s. All 11 rounds went into a group .464" tall by .397" wide. So, I repeated the test only this time I fired 3 shot groups. I found 2 nice spots at 33.5 grains and 34.5 grains. The groups were tiny--like .16-.18". I then shot two, 5-shot grups with both loads. Both loads produced 5-shot groups under .185". The velocity for the lighter load was 3020 fps. The higher load was 3104 fps. I took the scope off and put on my rear sight. I posted a 100yd reduced prone target. I laid down and shot 100-9x. This is the most accurate rifle I have ever owned, shot or seen.
I doubt that the XC with any bullet can match this cartridge's accuracy. I haven't tried the Clinch River 106 bullet yet. But shooters in the know have measured its BC at .55. This bullet at 3100 fps will give up little to no wind drift to the XC with the 115gr bullet. The inherent accuracy will prove superior to the XC cartridge.--Scott Parker."
From my notes on cartridge comparisons.
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Wow,
This post has A LOT of GREAT information to the amateur long distance shooter. A lot to soak in!!!
Thank you all for your expertise.
One of the biggest reasons that I chose the 260 Remington is the case. I have a 243, 308 and a 358 Winchester. All are based on the same case. Eventually I want to own all of the wild cats of the 308 case. All are great firearms that I reload and have good accuracy to 200 (the range I shoot at is only 200 but I have a couple of friends that have over 300+ acres that have the ability to shoot a very long distance).
I think later I will buy/build get a AR platform fire arm in a 338 federal or a 7mm-08 (probably the 338). But that is in a different year.
Thanks again every body for all of your help!
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nononsense,
Ok, so the Dasher does have the shoulder blown forward. The way I'd read an article about it was the shoulder angle (not length) had been blown forward. And in the BRX's case, it was as I stated, the shoulder was moved forward but the angle retained.
I do find it ironic about Scott Parkers statement that the 6XC could never be as 'inherently accurate' as the 6mm Dasher. Mostly because a couple of the 6mm Dasher shooters feel there is too much recoil with a bigger case. "The rifle tends to get away with the shooter," was one such statement. The irony in the statement is the smallest group is held by Tom Sarver shooting a .300 Hulk (something of a modified .300 RUM). And of course Lee Rasmussen's .50 cal record group of 1.997". Both guys have days where their aggregates are pretty small as well.
And, FWIW, Uni82, Tom Sarver recommends the .260 over any cartridge out there. He and I talked after the Nevada trip as he was interested in how the 7mm stacked up against the 6.5mm. As noted it really came down to a very slight edge in wind ability to the 7mm. But, that wasn't much of an advantage if you didn't see the wind to call it. A good wind caller in 6.5 would overwhelm someone just thinking the 7mm will buck wind better. It took more elevation out of similar sized cases to get the 7mm where the 6.5 was. The mechanical repeatability of the scope has a lot to do with how well you perform at long range.
Understand that you could chamber either cartridge in a purpose built accuracy rifle and do well...if you make the effort to do well. As good as a rifle is, they don't shoot tight groups by themselves. Also, for a later date, I wouldn't recommend the .338 Fed over the 7mm-08 in an AR-10 platform. But, that's a discussion for when you cross that bridge.0 -
Another quick question.
I have the opportunity to get a GREAT deals on a (+50% off) Nikon, Leupold or a Trijicon. Out of those companies which one would be the best?
Anyone use Leupold Mark scopes for 600 + yards? Are they ok?
Thanks!
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There is a lot of good information here. I can only add that
quote:It will be also a great hunting rifle as well as a decent pinger.
is not the case in my experience.
If it is heavy enough to be comfortable shooting long strings with, it is heavier than I want to hump in the woods. If it is at hunting weight, it kicks more than I want to shoot many rounds in a row out of, even in a mild caliber like .260. But then you are a lot younger than I am.0 -
you will be best served with a MK IV of the ones you listed, but I would suggest a nightforce benchrest scope. The MK IV uses 1/4moa adjustments while the nightforce benchrest uses 1/8moa adjustments. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by uni82
Another quick question.
I have the opportunity to get a GREAT deals on a (+50% off) Nikon, Leupold or a Trijicon. Out of those companies which one would be the best?
Anyone use Leupold Mark scopes for 600 + yards? Are they ok?
Thanks!
-Joe
What is the Trijicon? That is the best name by far there.0 -
quote:Originally posted by sandwarrior
quote:Originally posted by uni82
Another quick question.
I have the opportunity to get a GREAT deals on a (+50% off) Nikon, Leupold or a Trijicon. Out of those companies which one would be the best?
Anyone use Leupold Mark scopes for 600 + yards? Are they ok?
Thanks!
-Joe
What is the Trijicon? That is the best name by far there.
their adjustment increments puts them out of the running. as much as I like them[;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by JustC
quote:Originally posted by sandwarrior
quote:Originally posted by uni82
Another quick question.
I have the opportunity to get a GREAT deals on a (+50% off) Nikon, Leupold or a Trijicon. Out of those companies which one would be the best?
Anyone use Leupold Mark scopes for 600 + yards? Are they ok?
Thanks!
-Joe
What is the Trijicon? That is the best name by far there.
their adjustment increments puts them out of the running. as much as I like them[;)]
Amazing isn't it. They act like their scopes are the best thing since sliced bread. And the price reflects it. Yet when it comes down to it, they gave up adjustments. The Trijicon sights and scopes I've had the chance to shoot with were great. It don't mean much for a long range scope/rig if you don't have the adjustments to get it where you need it. Unfortunately, I didn't get that far.
In retrospect of my last post, go with what is known to work, the Leupold Mk IV.0 -
uni82,
I wouldn't decide on a scope simply because of a tidy discount. I will always suggest finding a store with any of the scopes you wish to try and see, yes actually SEE what they do side-by-side even under the store conditions.
There are thousands of shooters (tactical guys included) who use the Leupold Mark 4 scopes to their advantage. I gave up on Leupold several years ago when their quality dumped and the prices continued to rise relentlessly. They are at the point where their quality is less, making them an overpriced commodity.
In the mean time, a couple of scope makers have capitalized on the need for more quality and have adjusted their pricing system to accommodate more shooters.
I still suggest looking at Vortex Viper scopes and any of the upper end Burris scopes. Even the Nikon can work for most situations but be sure to look for a reticle that you can use readily and easily. Compare the scopes quality best you can before deciding to spend your hard earned money.
Best.
sandwarrior,
Scott Parker ran his mouth a little long in this case and should've quit while he was ahead. We all know the accuracy level available from the XC and if he fails to grasp the details, he should go talk to German Salazar if he needs clarification. Failing that, maybe I should see if he needs a demonstration? [:D]
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I'm going to keep this posting.
There is so much really good information here. I really appreciate all the help!
As for the build, it will take time. A very long time now. The wife just quit her job. Didn't see that one coming. In this recession I don't think I would agree with that. She is almost done with her nursing school, couldn't handle both a job and classes with clinicals. I understand where she is coming from, 5 years into schooling with almost 100k in the hole. She wants to focus on school.
I'm working two jobs now to keep us a float. I just got the money for my marlin 30/30. I am just going to put it away for now so I can start the build in the future. I am a very patient man too. Time I have. But on a project like this, patient is going to be hard to come by!
Thanks again for everyone's help, expertise and time investments to assist a future long distance marksmen enthusiasts!
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quote:Originally posted by uni82
I'm going to keep this posting.
There is so much really good information here. I really appreciate all the help!
As for the build, it will take time. A very long time now. The wife just quit her job. Didn't see that one coming. In this recession I don't think I would agree with that. She is almost done with her nursing school, couldn't handle both a job and classes with clinicals. I understand where she is coming from, 5 years into schooling with almost 100k in the hole. She wants to focus on school.
I'm working two jobs now to keep us a float. I just got the money for my marlin 30/30. I am just going to put it away for now so I can start the build in the future. I am a very patient man too. Time I have. But on a project like this, patient is going to be hard to come by!
Thanks again for everyone's help, expertise and time investments to assist a future long distance marksmen enthusiasts!
-Joe
If you think patience is hard to come by now, just wait till you actually get the project started... lol0 -
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If you think patience is hard to come by now, just wait till you actually get the project started... lol
yea, I'm already being not patient and I posted that this morning.
In time0 -
quote:Originally posted by uni82
quote:
If you think patience is hard to come by now, just wait till you actually get the project started... lol
yea, I'm already being not patient and I posted that this morning.
In time
It's only money, you'll make more tomorrow.[:p]
I actually had a SALESMAN tell me that once. lol0
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