Winchester 1886 Extra Heavy Barrel Question
I am looking in to the purchase of a Model 1886. The serial number is 47800. The seller is telling me that only 11 of these were made with the "Extra Heavy Barrel". The letter states: 26" Octagon, Extra Heavy Barrel, 40-82 Caliber, set trigger, made 10/06/1890, shipped 10/07/1890. Can anyone tell me that the information of only 11 of these being made with the Extra Heavy Barrel (not the heavy barrel) is correct? If so, how would you determine a price on such a rare or limited manufactured 1886? It is a pretty expensive purchase and I do not want to overpay. Thank you for your knowledge.
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Since the event of computers, laser printers, scanners, and various document software programs in the last 15 years or so, all such documentation is suspect. Personally I wouldn't be springing for such a big buck item, until you were able to independently verify it's legitimacy with Cody. 0 -
Not only do you need to independantly verify with the letter from Cody, but you also need to verify the gun is in fact in original condition, and has not been built, or refurbished to the Cody letter.
To do this, we will need to see SEVERAL, very clear, very close up, and detailed pictures of ALL of the rifle, and its markings. There are several experts on here who can tell a restoration of any type, from a mile away. About a year ago, this foum debunked an early Colt 1911, that had been passed thru a reputable auction house, by the previous owner.
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I was talking to an old boy about one of the extra heavy barrel 1886 guns he had on a GB auction a year or two back. The fellow was selling it for another guy down in California. I believe we might have discussed it here on ATE. Bert would have access to the details. The one I was looking at had a sight that was questionable as being original, I believe. I was thinking about making a part trade-part cash deal but the offer put forth on my guns was paltry at best. Bert should be able to help you out on this though.
Added: No, I do not recall the party names, but I might recognize one or both were you to ID them. It might likely be the same party due to the rarity of the piece.
Added: Bert, you would know Russ/7dbar out of Utah. I'd think he has the details on the Extra Heavy Barrel Winchesters. He had one on his 7dbar Winchester site, and he had it listed here on GB as well. It had a hefty premium on it and the dollar amount could not be justified simply by its condition. I think he had two of them for sale, both high dollar 86's when condition alone was graded in. One was well into the 20K range, and the other was 15K+, but I do seem to recall that each were rare in their configuration due to caliber; I'm thinking 45-90 and 50-110(?); with the more costly one being the .50 caliber. Also, as I recall, I discussed the extra heavy barrel gun I mentioned with you. I believe the guy wanted about 9K+ for it, but you figured it was worth about half that. I think you mentioned something about one of its sight not being right, and maybe something else as well.0 -
Do you recall how much the Winchester was going for? This one is in California also...wonder if it is the same gun? Do you recall who you talked to?quote:Originally posted by kimi
I was talking to an old boy about one of the extra heavy barrel 1886 guns he had on a GB auction a year or two back. The fellow was selling it for another guy down in California. I believe we might have discussed it here on ATE. Bert would have access to the details. The one I was looking at had a sight that was questionable as being original, I believe. I was thinking about making a part trade-part cash deal but the offer put forth on my guns was paltry at best. Bert should be able to help you out on this though.0 -
First, who is the seller? If you do not want to divulge his name here, send it to me in a PM or email message. There is a very good chance that I will know who he is.
Second, I know at least three people who can verify what the total number of "extra heavy barrels" actually was. My instincts are tellinng me that it was more than just (11) though.
Third, while the extra heavy barrel is an interesting feature, it is not worth a large premium to the value. The primary factor on the value is the graded condition and the overall configuration of the rifle (e.g. Fancy Sporting Rifle, Take Down, caliber, etc.).
Edit: Kimi, Russ is one of the three people I alluded to. Another is John Madl (the fellow who wrote the book on the Model 1886). John amnd I are very well acquainted, and have spent time together at the CFM research office looking up information.0 -
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Mighty considerate of you checking into these firearms for Mr. Bailey, Mr. Bailey, and him being no relation to you and all.0 -
What a thoughtful, considerate and decent fellow ... and not knowing one another! [:0] 0 -
Look at the feedback history, first name is Eric, just like the other mister Bailey. Things that make ya go WTH. My old dad always said, don't piss on my boots and tell me it's raining.
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quote:Originally posted by CapnMidnight
Look at the feedback history, first name is Eric, just like the other mister Bailey. Things that make ya go WTH. My old dad always said, don't piss on my boots and tell me it's raining.
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Yeah, but butt . . . "No, no relation." [V] [xx(] [:(!]0 -
Lot of positive feedback from: NRs, bidders marked (1) - "one-time winners" and (2) - "two-timers".
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