22 mag
what year did marlin make the 1894m in 22 mag thanks any answer will help
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I just got a new marlin 22 mag. I was looking in the owners manual it says you can shoot 22LR, 22Mag, 17HMR, and 17Mach 2 rounds. I was just wondering how this is possible, the 22LR I thought would split the casing in the chamber and the 17's are a smaller cal. 0 -
Lots of luck getting your hands on one, unless your willing to pay a scalper 2 to 3 times MSRP.
The ones who have actually got their hands on one, have had generally positive results. Like all of Kelgran's guns though the early adopters are the ones actually doing the R & D. The bugs are ironed out by the feedback from new owners, and guns returned to the factory with problems.
Unless you just have to have one, wait another year until pipeline is full, and all the backorders have been filled.0 -
quote:Originally posted by range
any opinions about kel tec 30 round 22 mag gun?
I know an avid gun collector who had one and he told me the thing jammed on virtually every round.
He returned it to the place he bought it, and the gunstore owner told him that he had been receiving a lot of them returned back to his store with the same complaint.
Supposedly Kel-Tec was going to address this. . .don't know what happened there.
Guns also apparently aren't all that accurate, though maybe as a high-tech plinker, that doesn't matter.
As a side thing, IMO the 30 round capacity of this pistol is attractive, but .22 magnum from a pistol is not that impressive, ballistically speaking.
These yield about 1300 fps with a 40 grain bullet. That's better than a similar sized .22LR pistol, but not quite as good as you can do with premium 40 grain ammo from a .22LR rifle, or even probably a long-barreled pistol like a Ruger charger.0 -
Good post Beantownshooter!
Basically, the .22mag, like the .22LR was designed as a Rifle cartridge. And doesn't perform nearly as well out of handguns.0 -
I've sent he postings and read the reviews that point to a jam-a-matic pistol as well. Just like the first year of a new car line, body style, or engine package, let the bugs get worked out by the "I gott have it first" crowd before you buy. 0 -
Without getting into the "It was designed for a rifle, and barely makes it out the muzzle" crap; triangular shape of grip is bizarre feeling, accuracy is right there out to 200yds, "firesights" take a little getting used to, never had a jam or any keyholing of bullets out of either of mine, and got them VERY early on.
You might want to add a little skater tape to the grip; it's semi-smooth plastic, and hard to hang onto when it's over 100 degrees outside.
Other than the strange sights, the pointy grips, and the baseless whining about a gun few own, yet all have opinions; if you can get it for under $400, do so.
George Kelgren is the guy's name, and the Grendel IMHO, is a better gun.0 -
quote:Originally posted by gunnut505
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George Kelgren is the guy's name, and the Grendel IMHO, is a better gun.
Grendel has been out of production/business since the mid 90's. The current KelTec organization disavows all the the guns made under the Grendel name, and won't support them in any way, i.e. parts/repairs.
Not withstanding, If they bring out the PMR 30 chambered in .22 LR, I would be all over it in a flash.0 -
i had a grendel for a couple of years and the problem i had was with the firing pin...basically a short barrel shape with a long skinny pin which would break at the square shoulder on the barrel end...gladly sold it for $150 as did many back them...now... wonder if i could make a pin out of better metal & larger pin, maybe drilling out hole that would end that issue ???...liked the size, shape & 30 rounds, but think they are overpriced now 0 -
I have both a Grendel P30 and a Keltec PMR30.
The Keltec is the more refined of the designs. Mine shoots just fine.
BTW- there is now .22 WMR designed for handgun length barrels.0 -
quote:Originally posted by gunnut505
Without getting into the "It was designed for a rifle, and barely makes it out the muzzle" crap; triangular shape of grip is bizarre feeling, accuracy is right there out to 200yds, "firesights" take a little getting used to, never had a jam or any keyholing of bullets out of either of mine, and got them VERY early on.
You might want to add a little skater tape to the grip; it's semi-smooth plastic, and hard to hang onto when it's over 100 degrees outside.
Other than the strange sights, the pointy grips, and the baseless whining about a gun few own, yet all have opinions; if you can get it for under $400, do so.
George Kelgren is the guy's name, and the Grendel IMHO, is a better gun.
Nobody said 1300 fps with a 40 grain bullet is "barely making it out of the muzzle"; again, that's EXACTLY the ballistics you get with a .22LR with good ammo from a rifle.
The point is, if you wouldn't want to be shooting it with a .22LR rifle, you probably wouldn't want to be shooting it with this pistol either. To my mind, a .22LR rifle is really inadequate for any animal larger than maybe 30 lbs (including human beings), and with bullet drop and loss of power, practical shooting distance is probably about 75 yards. After that, bullet drop and reduced power make a .22 progressively harder to use.
You say the accuracy with this gun is "out there to 200 yards". What group sizes have you achieved at that distance? Better yet, could you post a picture of your groups at that distance? I'd really love to see that, as I think, would many other readers here.
For a more objective accuracy measure at more conventional handgun distances, Jeff Quinn of Gunblast tested this out extensively last fall, and he claims rested 25 yard groups of about 1.5-4.0" with this gun, with most averaging around 3". That's not the worst accuracy in the world, but its certainly nothing to brag about. Any decent .22LR pistol should group under 1" at 25 yards, and with good ammo, WELL under that. Even my lowly Smith 22A will yield 0.75" groups at that distance and that's with cheap bulk ammo.
http://www.gunblast.com/KelTec-PMR30-2.htm
In terms of keyholing, the manufacturer thought that this was enough of a problem that they actually stopped production and redesigned the barrels. That says something, I think.
As to commenting on a gun I don't own, I think my opinion is fairly well-informed. I "could" own one of these any time I like. . .I simply don't see the point. From my perspective, the high capacity of the gun and somewhat increased power over .22LR simply aren't enough advantages to outweigh the various negatives (which include accuracy, potential reliablity, and cost issues). To me this gun is just a space-age looking plinker.
Lastly, my friend who described his Kel-Tec as a jam-o-matic isn't some redneck/rookie. . .he's been shooting for 40+ years, he has his own private 700 yard range, and he owns over 300 firearms in a collection probably worth over a quarter of a million dollars.
So when he tells me his Kel-Tec .22 auto was a dud, I believe him!
Lastly, note that I am not some sort of Kel-Tec basher. I think G. Kelgren is probably the most innovative gun designer out there right now, a veritable Bill Ruger of the 21st century, and I think he has some really great designs. I'm sure he'll eventually work any remaining kinks out of this platform. . .the point is that even if he doesn, I'm still not convinced this is a gun that interests me.
For Rufe, getting the noses of short .22LR cartridges to stagger in a magazine is probably a hell of a technical challenge. I wouldn't be holding my breath for a .22LR version of this.0
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