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  • charliemeyer007
    Looks like a mauser that has been in a fire. Might be able to make an inline muzzle loader out of it.
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  • Garth
    Its a small ring mauser that has either been in a fire or under ground and dug up a while back. Find someone to do a rockwell hardness test on it. That test will determine whether or not it can be "rebuilt, rebarreled and rechambered" into another rifle again. Whatever happened to that mauser is too bad. They really are some of the finest rifles in the world.
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  • rufe-snow
    With the the very distinctive front sight and the turned down bolt handle it looks like a Brazilian Model 1908/34. They were marked that way on the right side of the receiver. Also had a Brazilian crest with a large star on top of the receiver.
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  • Knifecollector
    It does say Model 08/ 34 30. I think Rufe-Snow is correct.
    This gun has been through a fire, the springs seem weak so I'd say its ruined. I plan to bead blast it in a cabinet and spray some type of finish on it. I'll do something to it so it can't be fired again.
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  • Garth
    The springs as well as other parts can be found at numerichgunparts.com or egunparts.com. If your endeavor is to make it look like a complete rifle again, stock sets can also be found at gun shops, gun shows, and sometimes online. For example a "wall hanger" above the fireplace mantle or elsewhere in your home.
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  • nononsense
    Knifecollector,

    "Its a small ring mauser..."

    No, it's a large ring Mauser judging by the photographs. This will make a difference when locating the proper stock if you intend to put this back together somewhat.

    Best.
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  • Alan Rushing
    Knifecollector - In response to you first questions/comments:

    I agree with the notion that this piece was most likely through a fire. The colors and physical appearance of the metal and the condition of the bottom plate/magazine cover. The cover is quite mis-shapen as would often happen with very high heat. The bolt-extractor is mis-shapen from heat as well. It is bent in towards the bolt, away from the action as heat would tend to do. The magazine spring appears to be in much, much sorrier shape for the same probable reason.

    Have found pieces of similar general appearance that have been buried in generally drier conditions of desert, high chaparall or arid mountainous areas. I'd imagine that conditions with altered pH would tend to mimic fire effects on the metal. High alkali and/or salt would do the trick with the metal. That alone though would not affect the magazine cover and the springs that way in my opinion.

    Knifecollector (In response to your second comments post here.)

    Most important it would seem is to what purpose you intend this life worn piece to serve.

    If it stays as is, it is quite an item for sight and discussion.

    If you want to bead blast to clean-up the outer physical appearance as in creating a cleaner, more characteristic appearance only ... I'd think that you'd not have to stress or be concerned about making it non-serviceable.

    It does not appear to be a piece that folks would be rushing to load and fire any time soon. Appearances might can be deceiving, but by photos only, I'd not be surprised if the bolt would NOT cycle.

    If the bolt and barrel are in much better condition than appearances, taking the firing pin out would definitely make it non-serviceable.

    It definitely reaks of "character". Myself, I could see many ways of going with it, and none of them "wrong", some just more interesting to yours truly. ( JMHO )
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  • MIKE WISKEY
    "Find someone to do a rockwell hardness test on it."............I agree with Alan, as for the rockwell test; the ONLY way to rockwell test a mauser is to cut it in half 1st. These wave a deep case hardened interior and a softer exterier.
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  • Knifecollector
    I bought a lot of about 20 firearms that had been in a house fire, I recongnized all but a couple of them. I found this stock on the auction side , will it fit?
    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=249543258
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  • Alan Rushing
    quote:Originally posted by Alan Rushing

    Knifecollector - In response to you first questions/comments:

    I agree with the notion that this piece was most likely through a fire. The colors and physical appearance of the metal and the condition of the bottom plate/magazine cover. The cover is quite mis-shapen as would often happen with very high heat. The bolt-extractor is mis-shapen from heat as well. It is bent in towards the bolt, away from the action as heat would tend to do. The magazine spring appears to be in much, much sorrier shape for the same probable reason.

    Have found pieces of similar general appearance that have been buried in generally drier conditions of desert, high chaparall or arid mountainous areas. I'd imagine that conditions with altered pH would tend to mimic fire effects on the metal. High alkali and/or salt would do the trick with the metal. That alone though would not affect the magazine cover and the springs that way in my opinion.

    Knifecollector (In response to your second comments:

    Most important it would seem is to what purpose you intend this life worn piece to serve.

    If it stays as is, it is quite an item for sight and discussion.

    If you want to bead blast to clean-up the outer physical appearance as in creating a cleaner, more characteristic appearance only ... I'd think that you'd not have to stress or be concerned about making it non-serviceable.

    It does not appear to be a piece that folks would be rushing to load and fire any time soon. Appearances might can be deceiving, but by photos only, I'd not be surprised if the bolt would NOT cycle.

    If the bolt and barrel are in much better condition than appearances, taking the firing pin out would definitely make it non-serviceable.

    It definitely reaks of "character". Myself, I could see many ways of going with it, and none of them "wrong", some just more interesting to yours truly. ( JMHO )
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  • Garth
    1st, I succeed to nononsense. It was late when I saw the pics. I was wrong. It is in fact a large ring mauser. 2nd, coming from a former machinist, it is nonsense to assume the mauser has to be cut in half for a rockwell hardness test to be performed.
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