Kaseys Auction, Colt 1911 no serial number?
I want to figure out what this 1911 colt is all about, when you see it you will notice it has no serial number and there was likely never one stamped in it.
I notice there is a rampant colt on the right side of the slide and no rampant colt in the center of the patent dates on the left not at the rear of the slide or circled as earlier models were.
So look it over, what year production do you suspect? I am guessing it must be a commercial model too?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=248105888
I notice there is a rampant colt on the right side of the slide and no rampant colt in the center of the patent dates on the left not at the rear of the slide or circled as earlier models were.
So look it over, what year production do you suspect? I am guessing it must be a commercial model too?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=248105888
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Frame is missing other 'evidence' that the lower is Colt. No stampings on the flats on either side of the trigger guard (that I can see).
The plot thickens...
If it's claimed as a Colt, then it must be regarded as a firearm with a mutilated SerNo..as all Colts left the factory with a SerNo.
'Lunchbox specials' (guns with no SerNo's) will need prior approval from ATF prior to my taking posession.
But, hey..that's just lil 'ol me! Best, Joe0 -
Joe, My research book indicates the Colts in production at the end of 1919 may not have been stamped and may have been given to company employee's or friends. the slide is obviosly a commercial model.
It does have the 1913 patent date.
the frame trigger, hammer and main spring housing all appear to be correct for a 1919-1923 production although my book has no detail on commercial models.
Makes me wonder if an employee got hold of an unmarked, undelivered frame and requisitioned a slide to go with it...0 -
Since it shows no evidence of being made by Colt and it is a different color than the slide I am going to guess it is not a Colt frame 0 -
It looks like the frame is a "LUNCH BOX SPECIAL" as there are no inspector stamps either.
The slide looks to have more wear to than the frame does.0 -
Looks like it may have been pieced together or perhaps it was meant for a military or foreign contract and possibly was rejected for whatever reason and was never serialized and then was returned to stock for sale commercially. However with Locust Fork selling and Perry Shooter bidding that says alot and I would feel pretty confident if I was interested in it, my .02 fwiw anyway... 0 -
This reminds me of the Johnny Cash song, "I got it one piece at a time, and it didn't cost me a dime." 0 -
I'm wondering at what point does a gun company stamp the serial number? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by yoshmyster
I'm wondering at what point does a gun company stamp the serial number?
When the receiver is cleared (passed the Q/C checks, etc.) to move to the next step.
The great unknown is just how long the finished receiver remains in its stripped condition prior to being cleared for shipment as an assembled firearm.
Joe0 -
I'm with Sharpshooter; there's no reason to believe from what we see that the frame was made by Colt.
Probably doesn't matter. Note that the slide has that "hockey puck" look, but the frame looks really nice; obviously this is a parts gun.
If those wood grips are original Colt, they are worth a couple of hundred $. Otherwise, it would make a decent shooter, but not worth a lot of money.
Neal0 -
I have come across a commercial slide or two in Army inventory.
What bothers me here is how the slide and frame are finished off in the rear view. A commercial Colt leaving the factory as a complete gun would have those surfaces at the joint finely matched, being finished together as an assembly.
If it is a Colt frame, it probably left in a lunchbox.
A Rockwell or Brinell test could help but not be definitive in proving
it to be a Colt product.0 -
Well, it is a 1911 pattern frame.
There were not many other makers of those besides Colt (Springfield Armory and Remington UMC.) Oh, yeah, the 100 NAACOs.
The slide looks much much later.0 -
Not with an 11-foot pole. 0
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