Cimarron Guns and Factory Ammunition?
I really like the nostalgic function, look and feel of Cimarron guns and that they seem to be very well made and function like a fine timepiece and would seem to be great to shoot and or hunt with...
What is the story with Cimarron guns and using factory ammunition, I presume that as long as you are using known brand name factory non +P ammunition like Federal, Winchester, Remington, Hornady, etc that you should be fine?
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What is the story with Cimarron guns and using factory ammunition, I presume that as long as you are using known brand name factory non +P ammunition like Federal, Winchester, Remington, Hornady, etc that you should be fine?
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Yes, any standard pressure load will be fine, just don't fire the Buffalo Bore or other high performance +P loads out of the Cimarron. 0 -
Correct being that they were not made to be +P firearms anyway since that didn't exist at that time and it stands to reason as well; however there does look to be alot of factory made ammunition that I am finding that is more than powerful enough for shooting and hunting so I should be good there then.
Found some Winchester Super-X ammunition in .45-70 gov and .45 Colt that I would presume should be fine for the Cimarron 1886 .45-70 gov rifle and Cimarron 1858 .45 Colt New Army Conversion revolver for example?
Caliber:45-70 Govt
Bullet Type:Jacketed HP
Bullet Weight:300 GR
Muzzle Energy:2355 ftlbs
Muzzle Velocity:1880 fps
Caliber :45 Long Colt
Bullet Type :Silvertip HP
Bullet Weight :225 GR
Muzzle Energy :423 ftlbs
Muzzle Velocity :920 fps0 -
I would go with the 1873 SAA style revolver with the top strap, and stay away from the 1858 conversion that is strapless.
In both cartridges, the 45 Colt, and the 45-70 Gov't., I would shoot a hard cast lead bullet of 250 grain, and 405 grains respectively. I have a few 45-70's, an original 1886, a takedown 1886 of 1999 vintage, and an 1885 BPCR rifle. I load the Missouri Bullet Co., 405 grain #1 Buffalo bullet, on top of 32 grains of IMR 4198. It is very mild to the shooter, and has a lot of thump on the far end, when it gets there.
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quote:Originally posted by tsr1965
I would go with the 1873 SAA style revolver with the top strap, and stay away from the 1858 conversion that is strapless.
In both cartridges, the 45 Colt, and the 45-70 Gov't., I would shoot a hard cast lead bullet of 250 grain, and 405 grains respectively. I have a few 45-70's, an original 1886, a takedown 1886 of 1999 vintage, and an 1885 BPCR rifle. I load the Missouri Bullet Co., 405 grain #1 Buffalo bullet, on top of 32 grains of IMR 4198. It is very mild to the shooter, and has a lot of thump on the far end, when it gets there.
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http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/Conversions/58NewModArmyConv.htm
The Cimarron 1858 .45 Colt New Army Conversion revolver does have the backstrap, but I know what your saying as the non-backstrap version is scary looking and I wouldn't shoot one of those much less own one.
Sounds like some nice guns there, are any of them Cimarron?
What would be the most powerful non +P ammunition in smokeless as a maximum benchmark for the Cimarron guns that I can use, so as to get the most out of the factory ammunition for hunting being that I cant use +P ammunition?
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Don't worry about the high performance type stuff, or the hottest non plus P. Just use what they were designed around...big diameter, heavy and slow moving. They have developed a reputation as fight stoppers, both on the street, and in the woods, just as they were designed to be.
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I am used to using CB, BB, RBCD, DT, etc in Rugers, Marlins etc just don't want to run into bigfoot or something and he laughs at my non +P ammunition, lol.
So do you own any Cimarrons and or what is your impression of them?
I was surprised to find that the Winchester 1886 .45-70gov is of similar price, do they make a case-colored version I wonder as I only saw the black?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Juggernaut
I am used to using CB, BB, RBCD, DT, etc in Rugers, Marlins etc just don't want to run into bigfoot or something and he laughs at my non +P ammunition, lol.
So do you own any Cimarrons and or what is your impression of them?
I was surprised to find that the Winchester 1886 .45-70gov is of similar price, do they make a case-colored version I wonder as I only saw the black?
No, I don't have any replica SAA's, but I do have 13 first generation SAA's from 32 W.C.F thru 45LC, and a Ruger Blackhawk in 45 LC.
I strongly suggest the Winchester/Miroku 1886, over the Cimarron, or any other replica. They are smooth as silk. The takedown version I have was made in 1999, and has a semi pistolgrip stock. They LOVE the cast bullets. They do not make it in a color cased version, but There is a local guy that is world reknowned for that very thing. His name is Doug Turnbull. He goes way above the original case colors, so he might not be the best choice for an authentic restoration, but he does create some works of art.
Here is his link:
http://www.turnbullmfg.com/
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Okay thanks tsr1965. What kind of 1st gen SAA's may I ask do you have, that sounds like a nice collection? Why do you not recommend the Cimarron? Can the Winchester 1886 handle +P ammunition as I know that the Ruger can? Sounds good on the restoration service as I really like the case coloring.
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I shoot Cimarron Model P's in .45 Colt and .38-40, and an Open-top in .38 Special. For the Model P's, I use Lyman book loads, which is plenty of power for my purposes, and even book loads can exceed factory ballistics by a substantial margin. These Model P's are essentially the same SA that Uberti has been making forever, are dmensionally identical to a Colt, and Uberti has been making them in .44 Mag for at least 30 years (the current Uberti .44 Mag SA is called the 'Callahan' model). When made of the right stuff, the SAA is not as weak as some people would have everyone believe. 0 -
I have the Uberti in .357 mag. Wonderfully made and has never had any issues of any kind. Very tight, smooth action. 0
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