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.222 vs .25 acp??

Spartacus
hey, just wondering which would have more people "stopping power"?
watched a movie where the hired assassin used a .222 to kill some one. chest shot at less than 6".
i'm guessing neither caliber would penetrate a rib.
i never heard of the .222 before, hence the question.
i have a colt 1908 vest pocket. they made a lot of them, so they must be effective(?)
thanks
tom
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  • tsr1965
    Yep...that is in the movies...

    Not sure which .222 you are talking about, but if it is the Russian version, which is like a 25 ACP necked down to approximately 22 caliber, then that is where my bets are. Both are anemic for personal defense, but have some assets as an asassin's tool, for a walk by.

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    quote:Originally posted by Spartacus
    quote:If you are speaking tongue in cheek, it is customary to use green italics to let us know that.


    no tongue in cheek. i actually believe the smaller calibers can be lethal.
    folks carried the .25acp for years when larger cal revolvers were available. when the .380 cap came out, it was the most powerful pistol round of its day.
    folks that think a 45 or 44 mag are the only self defense rounds are sorely mistaken.
    jmho
    tom


    Yes, the smaller rounds can be lethal. Heck, I would place bets that someone could be killed with some of today's, and the 1800's air guns...even the ones in .177 caliber.

    However, when it comes to personal defense, that means many things to different people. To me, it means stopping a life threatening event right here and now. I choose 9mm for my small end, and prefer a 10mm, or 45. If it is for four legged predators in the outdoors like bears, then I start with a 44 magnum.

    In a true defensive situation, I will use anything I can get my hands on. Even if I have to break your arm off and use it. I would prefer a firearm, but would resort to a knife, stick, or club if I had to.

    Just because they made so many of them, didn't mean that they were effective when they were used. It simply meant that more people could afford them, and were mislead, or didn't realize they were so anemic.

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  • 11b6r
    The .222 Remington is a centerfire bottlenecked rifle cartridge, considered by some to be the ancestor of the cartridge used by the M16 rifle. At a range of "less than 6 inches" I assure you it will penetrate a rib.

    There IS a Russian .220, which is a 7.62X39 necked down to a .223 bullet, created for deer hunting. No comparison at all between .25 ACP and the .220 or the .222 Remington.

    If you are speaking tongue in cheek, it is customary to use green italics to let us know that.
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  • 62fuelie
    The Mossard and other wet-work types have had considerable success with the .22 lr. The little Russian 5.45 Pistol round is probably ballistically similar to the .25 NA. These aren't knock-down/dead-right-now-right-there rounds, they are for that close range precision shot through the eye or into the thin part of the skull. A center chest shot can't ensure an instant kill with even a .44 mag, sometimes the brain housing group dosen't get the message that it is dead until it fires a shot or two.
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  • Spartacus
    quote:If you are speaking tongue in cheek, it is customary to use green italics to let us know that.


    no tongue in cheek. i actually believe the smaller calibers can be lethal.
    folks carried the .25acp for years when larger cal revolvers were available. when the .380 cap came out, it was the most powerful pistol round of its day.
    folks that think a 45 or 44 mag are the only self defense rounds are sorely mistaken.
    jmho
    tom
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  • 11b6r
    No question that smaller calibers can be lethal- the 7.62 x 25 is a very lethal round. However, they come up short on the immediate incapacitation side. The .25 ACP has about 67 ft lbs of energy.

    BTW, when the .380 (192 ft lbs)came out in 1908, the .38 Colt auto (312 ft lbs) had been out for 8 years, and the 9mm Parabellum (320 ft lbs) for 3 years.
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  • Spartacus
    quote:BTW, when the .380 (192 ft lbs)came out in 1908, the .38 Colt auto (312 ft lbs) had been out for 8 years, and the 9mm Parabellum (320 ft lbs) for 3 years.


    actually, the 9mm was introduced in 1902, SIX years, not three before the .380.
    the problem is there were no US guns available in 9mm until after ww1.
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