NRA Sues Obama Administration
Short video about how the NRA is suing the Obama administration regarding Obama's justice department and their latest back-door gun registration scheme.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1095760427001/fierce-battle-over-gun-rights
You usual suspects, the rabid NRA critics that the NRA can't, won't and doesn't do anything right will of course spew your usual spittle. But the difference between you and the NRA is that most likely you are doing nothing for gun rights and the NRA is.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1095760427001/fierce-battle-over-gun-rights
You usual suspects, the rabid NRA critics that the NRA can't, won't and doesn't do anything right will of course spew your usual spittle. But the difference between you and the NRA is that most likely you are doing nothing for gun rights and the NRA is.
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Your presentation leaves a little something to be desired. 0 -
Since any rebuttal of the NRA's consistent record of supporting the government in controlling, regulating and prohibiting certain citizens from their God-given uninfringed RKBA is futile with fox. And since pointing out the NRA's consistent support of the federal government's police in enforcing that which the federal government is expressly prohibited from infringing upon is also a futile effort with some people, a pictorial 'ode to the NRA' is in order...
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Well I must say, spot on Cap'n!![;)]
As far as the OP, dealing with that guy is like wiping your azz on a wagon wheel.0 -
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
Your presentation leaves a little something to be desired.
Is that because I am realistic enough to know that the NRA critics that are here are ALWAYS ready and eager to posting complaints and criticism about the NRA regardless of what is posted about the NRA? Some of those critics act like they are on the payroll of Handgun Control Inc. in that whenever something good about the NRA is posted, they are on it quicker than a London rioter on a store window.
For proof see the post by lt496, note how negative it is and, most importantly, how quickly he jump in with his comments after I posted my topic. It only took 19 minutes for him to jump on this topic. And don't think this is just a chance happening. Check for yourself and see how super quick the usual NRA critics will jump into a positive NRA post with their negative comments. Almost as if Handgun Control, Inc. have a small posse of anti-gun people here on GB.com posting as pro-gun people who claim to bave legitimate grips about the NRA.0 -
Why am I not surprised that as usual you jumped in with your negative comments about one of the few national gun rights organizations? Course this time it looks like you went overboard and that will hopefully work against you in the minds of the reasonable people here trying to choose a side. I also noticed as usual you have one of your concubines chiming in with support right out of the gate. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Well I must say, spot on Cap'n!![;)]
As far as the OP, dealing with that guy is like wiping your azz on a wagon wheel.
Speaking of "asses," and I will add the word "dumb" to that word in regards to you, why is it you address lt496 with such respect by, for example, addressing him as "capt?" Have you ever met him? Have you ever talked to him? Do you know anyone who actually knows him?
Hell, anybody can claim to be anything on the internet. You might be being fooled by a 16 year old kid into making you look like the two words above I linked together for you.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox Hell, anybody can claim to be anything on the internet. You might be being fooled by a 16 year old kid.....
Yeah, and it's you, and you claim to be a second amendment supporter, no less.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Well I must say, spot on Cap'n!![;)]
As far as the OP, dealing with that guy is like wiping your azz on a wagon wheel.
The NRA wanted nothing to do with the whole 'Gun-Walker' issue. Much historical info on their avoidance of this issue is available on http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/ and http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national
They dawdled and hung back and let Codrea and Vanderbough run point in exposing the issue whilst ignoring the clear picture of rouge and criminal federal government activity.
It pays to remember that the NRA has a long history of support for the mission of the ATF.
They are now taking a 'safe' action that will certainly be used by them and their sycophants and minions (such as trfox) to propagandize people into thinking that they are a staunch defender of Amendment II, when nothing could be further from the truth.
It is so clear and easy to see, if only people would honestly look.
Of course, one must have an actual belief in Amendment II and in its prohibition on government from infringing upon the RKBA.
That position and belief being derived from founding principles and constitutionally-based knowledge and belief.
It is absolutely one not held by many citizens and forum members and it certainly is not held or supported by the NRA.0 -
The NRA is like Benedict Arnold. Don't worry TR-fox, they got a statue of him in England somewhere.[8] 0 -
Fox, you have a one-track halftrack mind. Has it ever even occurred to you that your time might be better spent convincing the NRA that they're going in the wrong direction instead of trying to convince us that we are somehow misconceiving what we see with our own eyes?
Please spare us your usual rubber stamp "What are you doing....." response.
Many of us are doing plenty to promote shooting sports, we're just disinclined to elaborate for you, especially since you seem to be drinking the kool-aid.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bigcitybill
Fox, you have a one-track halftrack mind. Has it ever even occurred to you that your time might be better spent convincing the NRA that they're going in the wrong direction instead of trying to convince us that we are somehow misconceiving what we see with our own eyes?
Please spare us your usual rubber stamp "What are you doing....." response.
Many of us are doing plenty to promote shooting sports, we're just disinclined to elaborate for you, especially since you seem to be drinking the kool-aid.
Well stated, but you are now flagged by fox as an official NRA 'hater'.
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I'll be up all night worrying about that. 0 -
Oh, fox, I forgot one.
Here is Wayne 'The Baptist' La Pee Aire, Lost in the Wilderness, connected to this post at...
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/08/wayne-in-wilderness.html
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I can only hope, that someday, those who complain about infringement on their right to bear arms will realize, that they live in a country where citizens ban together to form lobbying groups to influence law making. The brady group, Mothers against drunk driver, the NRA, etc.
Remember, anything that crosses state lines comes under the commerce clause.
Yes, we have the right to bear arms, but the commerce clause gives the government the right to regulate those arms. PERIOD.
I have yet to hear of a challange to the right to regulate guns, in the supreme court.
So stop complaining and join a group, that promotes your values on guns. Donate and pressure the groups leaders to lobby for what you want, its the American way.
If the NRA and JG sales file law suits, I contribute to the effort.
Too many whiners in this country and not enough doer's.0 -
quote:Originally posted by J 1357
I can only hope, that someday, those who complain about infringement on their right to bear arms will realize, that they live in a country where citizens ban together to form lobbying groups to influence law making. The brady group, Mothers against drunk driver, the NRA, etc.
Remember, anything that crosses state lines comes under the commerce clause.
Yes, we have the right to bear arms, but the commerce clause gives the government the right to regulate those arms. PERIOD.
I have yet to hear of a challange to the right to regulate guns, in the supreme court.
So stop complaining and join a group, that promotes your values on guns. Donate and pressure the groups leaders to lobby for what you want, its the American way.
If the NRA and JG sales file law suits, I contribute to the effort.
Too many whiners in this country and not enough doer's.
Your continued expressed ignorance of constitutional principles is utterly amazing.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bigcitybill
Fox, you have a one-track halftrack mind. Has it ever even occurred to you that your time might be better spent convincing the NRA that they're going in the wrong direction instead of trying to convince us that we are somehow misconceiving what we see with our own eyes?
Please spare us your usual rubber stamp "What are you doing....." response.
Many of us are doing plenty to promote shooting sports, we're just disinclined to elaborate for you, especially since you seem to be drinking the kool-aid.
So....you are "disinclined to elaborate" on what you are doing for gun rights. Strange. By you "elaborating" on what you are doing, that might be just enough to encourage those who are doing nothing to to join in your efforts and help you. Surely if you are doing something, having the additional help of what you are doing would please you. I mean, you are not trying to keep your efforts exclusive or secret are you? I doubt there could be any good reason for that.
Course on the other hand, in regards to your "disinclined to elaborate" would also be a handy way, for someone who is doing NOTHING to help with gun rights, to respond.0 -
lt496 - appreciated, thank you! [^] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Alan Rushing
lt496 - appreciated, thank you! [^]
Are you by any chance one of those canary asses or are you just some guy who doesn't have a clue to what he is talking about?
In other words, apparently you would prefer that the NRA NOT sue the government to protect our gun rights. Just as your special it496 seems to feel.0 -
As an individual, you can go out and a lawyer and sue the government over your rights.
I haven't heard of one poster suing.
As a group, the oathkeepers can hire a lawyer and sue.
Haven't heard of a lawsuit by the oathkeepers.
The NRA is suing, J&G sales is suing, has anyone here but myself contributed financially to the suit?
Anyone here written a letter of support to these people?
Taking this one step further, every criminal that commits an act against society,with a gun, is more dangerous, in promoting your loss of gun rights, than the atf.
What are you doing to help stop gun cimes in this country? Have you ever turned in a drug dealer? Do you ever go to your local PD and have a sit down with them? Discuss local crime and what you can do to help fight it.
Nobody see,s to care about crime till it affects them personally. Well, I'm here to tell you, even small crimes, will eventually affect your gun rights.
This isn't about ignorance, its about apathy!0 -
May I ask what all you nay sayers do for us beside just post here[?] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by fshfndr
May I ask what all you nay sayers do for us beside just post here[?]
Sure...
We are providing a necessary service, since there are many who are completely unaware of factual NRA actions that are directly in support of gun-control.
Many people have never even thought such a thing and rather, simply rely on the name 'NRA' to satisfy themselves that whatever the action they take, it must be in support of the Constitution.
In addition, there are many others who have never had the issues surrounding various commonly accepted forms of anti-constitutional actions, such as gun-control, framed in light of Amendment II's text, the founding principles of this Republic and the principles of individual liberty.
Posing what is commonly accepted, against the yardstick of these things, can be very illustrative for some people.
As for what some 'do for us', well, that depends on who 'us' is.
If you are of the NRA bent, then I do nothing but point out the hypocrisy, deceit, lies, and erosive effect that your beliefs have on our liberty and on the fabric of the Republic and that likely pisses you off.
If, by 'us', you mean only the readers of such threads, then I have said what it is that we do in an above paragraph.
If by 'us', you refer to constitutionalists, liberty-advocates and Amendment II supporters, then we are openly and unwaveringly showing that there are some who are not weasels and some who believe in the Constitution as it is written and some who will not allow obfuscation on such fundamental issues to go unchallenged.
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quote:Originally posted by J 1357
As an individual, you can go out and a lawyer and sue the government over your rights.
I haven't heard of one poster suing.
As a group, the oathkeepers can hire a lawyer and sue.
Haven't heard of a lawsuit by the oathkeepers.
The NRA is suing, J&G sales is suing, has anyone here but myself contributed financially to the suit?
Anyone here written a letter of support to these people?
Taking this one step further, every criminal that commits an act against society,with a gun, is more dangerous, in promoting your loss of gun rights, than the atf.
What are you doing to help stop gun cimes in this country? Have you ever turned in a drug dealer? Do you ever go to your local PD and have a sit down with them? Discuss local crime and what you can do to help fight it.
Nobody see,s to care about crime till it affects them personally. Well, I'm here to tell you, even small crimes, will eventually affect your gun rights.
This isn't about ignorance, its about apathy!
You Have stated right on this forum that only the cops and military should be allowed to own "assualt" weapons. YOU ARE CONSTITUTIONAL ENEMY #1!!!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
quote:Originally posted by J 1357
As an individual, you can go out and a lawyer and sue the government over your rights.
I haven't heard of one poster suing.
As a group, the oathkeepers can hire a lawyer and sue.
Haven't heard of a lawsuit by the oathkeepers.
The NRA is suing, J&G sales is suing, has anyone here but myself contributed financially to the suit?
Anyone here written a letter of support to these people?
Taking this one step further, every criminal that commits an act against society,with a gun, is more dangerous, in promoting your loss of gun rights, than the atf.
What are you doing to help stop gun cimes in this country? Have you ever turned in a drug dealer? Do you ever go to your local PD and have a sit down with them? Discuss local crime and what you can do to help fight it.
Nobody see,s to care about crime till it affects them personally. Well, I'm here to tell you, even small crimes, will eventually affect your gun rights.
This isn't about ignorance, its about apathy!
You Have stated right on this forum that only the cops and military should be allowed to own "assualt" weapons. YOU ARE CONSTITUTIONAL ENEMY #1!!!!
A concept that will likely be totally lost on him.
X-ring.0 -
I've stated before and I'll state it again, assualt weapons have no legitimate place in a society governed by the rule of law. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by J 1357
I've stated before and I'll state it again, assualt weapons have no legitimate place in a society governed by the rule of law.
It has been said before and I will repeat it here.
Your views are diametrically opposite to the text of Amendment II, totally contrary to the limitations placed upon government by the Constitution and are expressly against the principles we were founded upon.
It seems to be garden-variety collectivism that you espouse.
Just so you know.0 -
quote:Originally posted by J 1357
I've stated before and I'll state it again, assualt weapons have no legitimate place in a society governed by the rule of law.
Assault weapons are necessary for a free people to maintain their freedom. You cannot be so ignorant as to not recognize that the Federal Government has extended its power over the States and over the Individual Citizen greatly throughout the 2nd half of the 20th Century and the first tenth of the 21st.
Obviously the ballot box is failing to keep the power hungry in check. What is it that you propose will substitute for firepower to keep the beast at bay?0 -
In my opinion, assualt weapons do nothing but wreak havoc in society.
I have a right to express that opinion, back it up thru community organizing and investing my time and money to promote or deny such weapons. I have a right to vote for those that aspire to my opinions and to vote against those who don't.
In the end, after exercising my rights, the majority will decide and thats the way this country works.
I can live with that.0 -
quote:Originally posted by J 1357
In my opinion, assualt weapons do nothing but wreak havoc in society.
I have a right to express that opinion, back it up thru community organizing and investing my time and money to promote or deny such weapons. I have a right to vote for those that aspire to my opinions and to vote against those who don't.
In the end, after exercising my rights, the majority will decide and thats the way this country works.
I can live with that.
Are you suggesting that a simple majority vote can override the 2nd Amendment?
Sadly, many believe this to be true and accept that this is the way 'this country works'.
The truth is that such purely democratic attitudes allow the majority to suppress the rights of the minority. When this suppression extends to basic human rights, we obviously have a problem. The 2nd Amendment is not, as the NRA and many on these boards believe, about 'gun rights'. It is about protecting the individual right to maintain the tools which may be necessary in the preservation op his state of freedom. Your right to vote is inviolate, but those that you vote for do not and will never have the power to override the Constitution by a simple majority.0 -
quote:Originally posted by J 1357
In my opinion, assualt weapons do nothing but wreak havoc in society.
I have a right to express that opinion, back it up thru community organizing and investing my time and money to promote or deny such weapons. I have a right to vote for those that aspire to my opinions and to vote against those who don't.
In the end, after exercising my rights, the majority will decide and thats the way this country works.
I can live with that.
Once again, you express extreme ignorance on Amendment II and the principles the Republic was founded upon.
The majority is expressly prohibited from deciding on issues of fundamental Natural-rights. The rights of the minority and of the individual trump the majority in such instances.
Government s prohibited from infringing in this specific area and government is severely limited in other areas, regardless of what 'the majority' desires or believes.
That is the basis of republicanism and our Constitution.
Unbelievable...0 -
Assualt weapons are not needed. The government as it is now, is nothing more than a reflection of we the people in a mirror. We can change that reflection peacefully, but its going to take a generation and alot of hard work and sacrifice. When morality, respect and disciplne become the norm, we will have suceeded. 0
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