Full Auto M1 Carbine
I have a guy trying to trade me a Universal M1 Carbine with the parts to make it fully automatic. Is this for real? What is it worth? I am aware of the full auto legal restrictions.
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As others have said, run.
Why? Well... that whole constructive possession thing for the happy switch parts.
And, the Universal carbine isn't a real M1 Carbine.
If you want one, get one from the CMP ...
If you want a full auto one, there are several on the auction side right now ...0 -
I do not know (obviously) your social networking situation (i.e., friends, acquaintances, groups you belong to, etc.) however you need to consider:
... full auto weapons are illegal unless you have gone through the legal process to own them.
... If you can't make it work after trying to assemble the parts, who will you go to for help troubleshooting the problems?
... this guy you are talking about could be trying to set you up to take a hit in a police sting operation. You cannot know.
... There are any number of other legal problems and consequences that you could become embroiled in for the sake of a raggedy-assed non-military M1 carbine reproduction (obsolete by 60 years, at least) with a handful of parts to go with it that may or may not be what the guy says they are.
... Even if all "goes well", then what do you have? This is not an AR-type weapon, which is basically an "erector set". This weapon you describe is and will be a half-baked, home-brewed illegal piece of $#!+ that you take enormous legal and financial risks just having in your possession and even more risk trying to dump later on to recover your investment. And, this will be the case after a few months when the novelty wears off and you figure out that it costs a fortune to shoot the thing and you have no place to shoot it anyway. You will find nobody else wants it and you will be stuck with this thing.
Remember what they say about keeping secrets....the only way a secret is safe between two individuals is when one of them is dead and even then, only just maybe.
So, my advice is that you be smart and avoid nonsense like this.
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Oh yeah, your question...."What's it worth?"
It is worth the value of the semi-auto carbine plus ten or twenty bucks for the extra full auto parts, plus a prison sentance, plus a fine, plus the felony conviction, plus forfeiture of your other guns, plus the restriction of never being able to own another weapon...ever, plus loss of your job and financial security.....the list continues, but you understand my point.0 -
I appreciate all the insight, and I should have given more information, sorry. The gun was legally manufactured and licensed in the middle of the last century. The guy that owns it now, a close personal friend, inherited it from his grandfather. While he has not licensed it as he should, I would. He has all the documentation and previous license, but no desire to keep it. 0 -
I'd refer him to a FFL dealer who specializes in automatic weapons sales and sell it there. Waaaaaaaayyy too many headaches for a non-licensed automatic if something were to happen. 0 -
We have a number of issues here, none of which has been accurately addressed.
A complete set of parts to convert an M1 carbine to full auto is (by ATF regulation) known as a "M2 carbine parts kit". If you possess an M2 carbine parts kit without an ATF registration (generally an ATF Form 3 or Form 4), you have committed a federal felony good for up to 5 years in prison.
ATF has registered M1/M2 carbines, in which case the receiver is the registered Class 3 part. They have also registered M2 carbine parts kits, in which case 1 of the parts is marked with the ATF registration number. The risky thing about having a registered receiver is that, if the receiver cracks (a very real possibility with a Universal carbine), you have an expensive paperweight. A registered parts kit can be installed on any carbine, & broken parts can be swapped out easily.
So, we need to know exactly what documents he has. And, specifically, we need to know if he has an ATF Form 3 or Form 4, & what it has on it. Without that form, or without an unbroken chain of registered possession, you would not want to consider being in the same building as the rifle.
Once we know exactly what he has, we can advise you better.
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To add to what is above- IF the gun OR the M2 parts kit is not CURRENTLY papered with the ATF, you will NOT be able to paper it. Cut off date for registration was May 1986, no more can be registered- unless you happen to be an Army or a Police Department. 0 -
I just don't understand the bashing of the Universal brand. Sure, someone heard of someone's brother-in-law having a neighbor who overheard someone at an Autozone talking smack about one once; but I have never been disappointed with either of the models I have. The Enforcer looks like it should be a papered NFA item, but that's just not the case. The other, a full-sized M1, has a Saginaw receiver with the Universal stamp on the passenger side, a newer barrel than most mil-spec units, has no problems going through several 30rd mags really quick, and hasn't malfunctioned except with Remington ammo.
Now, the full-auto thing scares me; why in the world would anyone want an uncontrollable, fully illegal commercial copy of a 70-year-old plinker?0 -
Have you priced the bullets recently ? they've always been expensive just as lawyers, fine's, court cost are ! [:)] 0 -
Re: Enforcer- there were at least two distinct versions- one used milsurp parts, and they are not bad. When Milsurp parts ran out, they started making their own, parts do NOT interchange with military carbines, etc, and they leave a LOT to be desired. Check the bluebook for the difference in prices/ values between military issue and Universal. 0
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