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Remington #4 ???

rotcguns
I've just picked up a rifle that I need help identifying. The closest I can find similar is the #4 Remington rolling block but this one does not say #4 on it. It has an octagon barrel and says on the barrel "Remington Arms Co. Ilion NY USA." Beside the SN it has "22" and then after that an "S". I've taken a few pics I was going to post here but it doesn't look like that's allowed or I can't figure out how to do it. If you can help I can send pics by email. Appreciate any info you can provide like value, specific identy, etc.
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  • rufe-snow
    Got this pic off the net of a #4,.22. If yours looks like this,it's probably what you have. I never owned a #4, but owned #1's & #5's they weren't marked as such though. #4's might not have been either.


    remington-rolling-block-4-22_src_6.jpg



    EDIT #1, Here are instructions for posting photos in this forum. The forum owners won't allow photos to be posted from a PC's harddrive, you will have to use a net based photo service as outlined in the instructions.

    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=259294
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  • hrf
    The Model 4 boy's rifle was made 1890-1933 and only the late take down models with large takedown screw on left side were marked Model No 4. An estimated 50,000 plus were made, so it's not a rare model.
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  • rotcguns
    Mine looks like the pic so it must be a #4. Were the ones that do not break down made first? I don't guess I could go wrong for $100. I did try firing it twice and it fired both times. The only thing is both times I had to cock the hammer back a second time for it to fire. Don't really know why. Can anyone tell me the purpose/theory behind having the 2 hammers? I registered on hunt101.com so I'll post pics if that process gets finished.
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  • hrf
    Yes, the non-takedown models were made before 1900. If it's a Model 4, it does not have two hammers, but the hammer is what locks the breechblock that must be what you are calling a 2nd hammer.
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  • 11b6r
    Also- some of these are older than the 22 LR cartridge- they were from the era of the .22 Short and .22 long (NOT long fifle) and should NOT be fired with modern, hi velocity ammo.
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  • hrf
    quote:Originally posted by rotcguns
    I did try firing it twice and it fired both times. The only thing is both times I had to cock the hammer back a second time for it to fire. Don't really know why.
    Could be several things, but most of these have been "rode hard" and often the chamber recess for rim of the cartridge has been worn or damaged to point that the cartridge rim is not supported properly where the firing pin hits. If so, it deserves retirement unless the barrel is relined.
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  • rotcguns
    Couldn't figure out how to post pics but maybe this will work. Click on link to see pics. Website wouldn't let me upload anything bigger than 97kb so these are not very big. I must not be understanding something because I know it can be done from the pic in the post above. 
    http://www.hunt101.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=296&d=1310733461

    http://www.hunt101.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=297&d=1310733467

    http://www.hunt101.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=298&d=1310733475

    http://www.hunt101.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=299&d=1310733482
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  • v35
    Either the firing pin is broken or too short or the hammer spring is adjusted too light.
    I vote for replacing the firing pin.
    Make sure the firing pin moves freely in the breechblock.
    Shoot a drop of oil in it and work the pin until it's loose.
    When the firing pin is flush with the rear of the breechblock,the tip must protrude from the front.
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