.410 gauge handgun ammo
I have noticed that there is now .410 ammo out designated as 'handgun' ammo and the box states it has 1100 fps. velocity. These are 2 1/2 inch rounds. Anyone know if this is the velocity out of a handgun with 4-8 inch barrel or is it figured like all others out of a shotgun barrel.
If it is 1100 out of handgun, what would it be out of a shotgun with 26 inch barrel?
Thanks,
Dan
If it is 1100 out of handgun, what would it be out of a shotgun with 26 inch barrel?
Thanks,
Dan
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Possibly less. Yes, less. There is a point of maximum expansion of gasses in the barrel- after that point, the projectile actually begins to slow from friction. For most shotgun rounds, I THINK that is about 16-18 inches- but the handgun rounds are loaded with a faster burning powder, intended for that short barrel. 0 -
I realize that my reply here does not address or answer the point of your topic post and my reply is not addressed to dannej in particular, because he did ask a valid question. Anyway, here goes:
I suppose that this is a cynical way of looking at it, but how does the loading of this shell make any significant difference in performance, given that we compare 2 1/2" to 2 1/2" or 3" to 3" shells, even if there is some variation in velocity from a short handgun barrel vs a long gun barrel.
In my mind, the idea of designating this .410 "gauge" ammo as "handgun" ammo is a marketing gimmick aimed at those who still believe the Taurus Judge is actually a practical handgun rather than what it really is; just an over-weight, clunky, clumsy, tacky, marketing gimmick.
Additionally, the fact that the ammo is designated as "handgun" ammo might ensnare it in jurisdictional legalities in those states, counties and municipalities that pass legislation restricting the sale of handgun ammo or demanding records be kept for the sale of handgun ammo.
Oh well, just sounding off.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Wolf.
I realize that my reply here does not address or answer the point of your topic post and my reply is not addressed to dannej in particular, because he did ask a valid question. Anyway, here goes:
I suppose that this is a cynical way of looking at it, but how does the loading of this shell make any significant difference in performance, given that we compare 2 1/2" to 2 1/2" or 3" to 3" shells, even if there is some variation in velocity from a short handgun barrel vs a long gun barrel.
In my mind, the idea of designating this .410 "gauge" ammo as "handgun" ammo is a marketing gimmick aimed at those who still believe the Taurus Judge is actually a practical handgun rather than what it really is; just an over-weight, clunky, clumsy, tacky, marketing gimmick.
Additionally, the fact that the ammo is designated as "handgun" ammo might ensnare it in jurisdictional legalities in those states, counties and municipalities that pass legislation restricting the sale of handgun ammo or demanding records be kept for the sale of handgun ammo.
Oh well, just sounding off.
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The only thing worse than a rifle chambered for a pistol cartridge, is a pistol chambered for a shot gun cartridge.[xx(]
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i have just one taurus(yes ashamed to admit it) i have the judge public defender 2"barrel it shoots rem,winpdx,federal buck just fine for the intended distance(win pdx is a bit stiffer) but the taurus with the longer barrel i say is not productive to the 410,the 410 really never touches the barrel 41 size going thru a 452 sized hole when it leaves the hull that all the preesure and blow by you get and if the 410 load dose touch the barrel there is upset 0 -
quote:Originally posted by dannej
I have noticed that there is now .410 ammo out designated as 'handgun' ammo and the box states it has 1100 fps. velocity. These are 2 1/2 inch rounds. Anyone know if this is the velocity out of a handgun with 4-8 inch barrel or is it figured like all others out of a shotgun barrel.
To actually answer the stated question, despite the ad copy and product labelling that you cite, the stated 1100 fps velocity is from a SHOTGUN barrel, NOT a pistol barrel.
ITS A LIE. [:(]
From a pistol barrel the buckshot will yield about 850 fps (or less) depending on brand and barrel length. I've seen multiple chronograph reports confirming this, and in fact, both Winchester and Federal who each make specialty .410 "handgun" rounds no longer claim the higher velocity.
Don't take my word for it. Here's Winchesters take: It claims only 750fps for its specialty "buck and ball" handgun-specific .410 buckshot:
More proof: This is what the Federal box of .410 "handgun" ammo originally claimed (note the 1200fps label):
You can also see the claim repeated in the original ad copy:
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=111685
Now see here for CURRENT ad copy, direct from the Federal website:
http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/buckshot.aspx?id=848
Suddenly, the same ammo has lost 350 fps!
Common sense also indicates that if you're launching several lead balls with a combined total weight roughly that of a solid .45 slug (ie around 230 grains), then you're going to get roughly the same velocity. . . just like you do with the Winchester "combo pack" above.
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If it is [were] 1100 out of handgun, what would it be out of a shotgun with 26 inch barrel?
If my grandma had wings, would she be a stealth bomber?
The fact is that shotguns shells all use fast-burning powder, just like handgun ammo, and velocities will be similar using similar powder loads and payloads.
If these shells could actually deliver 1100 fps out of a handgun, then MAYBE using them from a handgun might be worthwhile, because at that velocity, they'd be putting out nearly DOUBLE the kinetic energy per pellet as they actually do at 850 fps from a 4" bbl handgun.
As another analogy, from a 4" bbl handgun, you're launching three or four round lead balls each roughly the weight of a 70 grain .32ACP slug, at similar velocities.
.32 ACP offers poor penetration and is universally known as a lousy manstopper. Nobody who knows anything about firearms or ballistics recommends .32 ACP as a good defensive round, with many authorities considering the .32 to be effectively obsolete.
So now, we're to believe that firing 3 of these weak, poorly penetrating rounds at once is a "good thing" (ie better than a conventional .45LC throwing one HEAVY ball at the same velocity)?
The way I like to put it, if you're in a fight, who do you want on your team fighting with you, three 70 lb dwarves or one 225lb weightlifter?0 -
Thank you beantown. Now there is an answer to a question! I really appreciate it!
Dan0
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