What is this?
I have just got a bolt action rifle. It is marked as follows: U.S. Springfield Armory Model 1899. So it is not an 03 and not a 98. Just what the heck have I got here?
If your gonna be stupid you better be tough !!
If your gonna be stupid you better be tough !!
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I've have a rifle I think German, heavy as hell. The stock goes all the way to the end of the barrel. The shells feed into the side like a carbine the only markings without taking it apart are WAFFENBGIK BERN AND THE SER NUMBER. The action and trigger are very smooth. I don't even have any idea what cal it is and there are no dates.
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Counterfeit.
So where do you want to go with this? What I mean is, just what do you want to know, beyond Counterfeit??
Joe
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Apologies, as I did not answer your question...in general terms, It's either a Spanish/Italian knockoff of the original specimen.
Closeup in focus shots of the stampings on the barrel/inside the frame/beneath the grips will nail down the counterfieters.
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From the finish it looks like one of the potmetal, ( zinc diecastings ), made in Spain to me. Note! these aren't real firearms but nonfiring replicas originally sold as wall hangers/conversation pieces.
How some guy could sell it as the real Mccoy, is a mastery to me?
EDIT #1, Send the seller a e-mail asking him to verify the barrels are steel by checking them with a magnet. If he is on the level and not trying to screw anybody with this auction he will do this. As I noted in my previous post the modern Spanish replicas are made of Zinc diecastings and won't react to a magnet.0 -
Except that it's fancier, it appears same as the Spanish copy in .44 rimfire that I had years ago, with the identical extractor design. And the chambers look larger than .41 to me.
The extractor design is actually better than Remington's: There's also an extractor and lever on the right side, not shown. Mine would chamber .44 Henry!0 -
The thing that throws me is I'm sure I read somewhere that this was an imported knockoff of a remington but it sure was not trying to be a good knockoff.
It's kind of weird, but then it has some appeal in a weird sort of way too. There was one (maybe the same one?) auctioned off a couple of years ago (2008)on the Rock Island Auction site. They "valued" it at 600 - 950 dollars. Not bad for a bad counterfeit [;)]
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They are not modern repros, probably pre-WW1 at latest. I wrote the Gun Report in 1990, and got a letter from the late Chas. Suydam saying he'd see about 10 of the regular size like mine, plus a couple with 6" barrels. 0 -
hrf, you are showing to be the expert on this pistol. He reexamined the derringer and determined that it too is a 44 caliber instead of a 41. So it most likely is a Spanish copy like the one that you had.
Love investigating these mystery gun's ... keeps the mind active. I have had a few strange one's over the years .... I bought a Fiala back in the 60's for $15 .... and got rid of it for $7 ... because I thought it was broken. Painful to find out that it was a manual auto loader and a bit rare at that.
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