Need some gun research help
Asking you all for some help, I am good with guns but I am doing some research to sell some old guns, any of you know about Winchester Model 53's 25-20 made in 1927, (2) Japanese Arisaka Type 99 Cal 7.7 with one with Mum one without both made in Nagoya Arsenal. The one with the mum has had the barrel removed. And had not dust cover. The other is complete with Hooked quillon Bayonet, and a DUTCH BEAUMONT MODEL 1871/88 RIFLE. Cal. 11.3x50R mm made in 1883 with Bayonet but the wrong cleaning rod. I have a ton of photos photo's if that will help
I have found a few sights but the info is ok at best. Some of you have sent me a little info on the Model 53
I have found a few sights but the info is ok at best. Some of you have sent me a little info on the Model 53
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Hello Ryan,
What specifically is it that you would like to know about the Winchester Model 53?0 -
I can possibly help w/info on the Arisaka's. But need more info. Pics would be best.
Do you have the stocks/hardware for the one w/o barrel? W/O barrel it sounds like it's value would be as a parts gun. And of course the more parts in ORIGINAL condition, the better (IE: more value).
What is the condition of the scubbed MUM rifle? Otherwise all original? Originality is key to value here.0 -
http://s85.photobucket.com/albums/k47/RunninBuckNutty/Guns/?start=all
OK I am not the computer guru but here it the link to all the photos of the weapons.
I hope this helps you both help me0 -
The Beaumont-Vitali is the nicest one I've seen in a long time. It appears to be factory original from your photos. If the bore is in as good as shape, it would be very desirable piece for a military rifle collector. Clean collector quality Beaumont-Vitali's aren't common, not sure what the current FMV would be? 0 -
I am not sure how to tear this Ariska apart so I don't know if the parts are all original to the rifles. I guess there is a link on youtube to do it so I will try that in the morning. What should I look for?
Looking at some sights I found with photos I have learned this. the complete rifle is an early model based on configuration and the one with no barrel is a later model.
The older one has just a wood butt plate tacked on with small nails. The rest of the stock parts look to be there. As best as I can tell
quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat
I can possibly help w/info on the Arisaka's. But need more info. Pics would be best.
Do you have the stocks/hardware for the one w/o barrel? W/O barrel it sounds like it's value would be as a parts gun. And of course the more parts in ORIGINAL condition, the better (IE: more value).
What is the condition of the scubbed MUM rifle? Otherwise all original? Originality is key to value here.0 -
The barrels on all 3 are very good. The Beaumont is clean and smooth. My Grandfather loved to stick a pencil in the barrel and pull the trigger and shoot the pencil out with the gun butt on the floor.
All 3 of these weapons were my Grandfathers. He did some Gunsmith work in the Reno area and when people had guns they did not know what to do with they often went to him for projects. The Model 53 and the Beaumont were such guns. The Japanese Arisaka Type 99 were ones he brought back from WWII. My Dad said I could have them and I told him I would look into selling them. So here I am trying to pick everyone's brains on the history and value of these guns.
quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
The Beaumont-Vitali is the nicest one I've seen in a long time. It appears to be factory original from your photos. If the bore is in as good as shape, it would be very desirable piece for a military rifle collector. Clean collector quality Beaumont-Vitali's aren't common, not sure what the current FMV would be?0 -
Imo the Arisaka w/o barrel is a parts gun. Also missing is the front barrel band w/bayonet lug. But it does otherwise appear original. The stock wood (both pieces) IMO would fetch $100. to $150. Especially if verify Arsenal by checking the Arsenal markings on the bottom of buttstock between butt and hand grip. These are often dirt filled and to untrained eye appear as common dings. CAFEFULLY clean them out so you can see them in detail. Buyers long for a correct arsenal stock set will pay a premium for one verified. You can sell it with/or w/o remaining stock hardware. The bolt might bring $75-$100. The magazine floor plate/Mag follwer probably $25. apiece. Rear tang & screws another $20. or so. The hardest part to sell will likely be the receiver itself. No idea what it might bring. No much I'd assume.
The other Arisaka might be a much more valuable. The next question is: Do the numbers match. All numbers should match last 3 of serial on receiver. Look for numbers on underside of bolt handle, extractor, rear barrel band, and dust cover. The dust cover (over action) is a bonus and has value by itself. Most were apparently discarded by Japanese soldiers as too noisey/clumsey to use in battle.
Use this website to decipher markings.
http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/japanese_markings.html0 -
Hello Ryan,
The Winchester Model 53 was manufactured in 1927. It is in very poor condition (a significant amount of heavy pitting on the receiver, barrel, rear sight, and butt plate). It has virtually no remaining finish, and the wood is in nearly as bad of shape as teh rest of the gun.
It has no remaining collector value, and it has very little value has a parts gun.0 -
Thank you Bert I broke that
53 apart and althought the out side has been banged up the inside is in fine condition. I am going to find some ammo and take her out for a run. LOL0 -
OK Folks I got very good phtos of all the weapons and below are the links to each respective weapon.
The complete Japanese 7.7 Arisaka Type 99 Rifle all matches except for the dust cover.
The bigest ding on most of them is my Grandfather used a engravers pen to etch his SSN on the weapons. Dad said he did that to all his fire Arms after a brake in that he lost 80 weapons.
[url="mailto:"]http://s85.photobucket.com/albums/k47/RunninBuckNutty/Winchester Model 53/[/url]
http://s85.photobucket.com/albums/k47/RunninBuckNutty/DUTCH%20BEAUMONT%20MODEL%201871%2088%20RIFLE/
http://s85.photobucket.com/albums/k47/RunninBuckNutty/JAPANESE%20TYPE%2099%20ARISAKA/
http://s85.photobucket.com/albums/k47/RunninBuckNutty/JAPANESE%20TYPE%2099%20ARISAKA/0
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