Identifying old hand gun
I am not going to ask for values much on these guns any more as I realise they are not worth much in Gunbroker.com. I would just like help with identification and possible manufacture date. Also I have been investigating removing rust on some of these items. Obviously because they are SO rusted sometimes the issue of damaging the bluing etc on the barrels is largely gone. I managed to work on this gun with a WD40 product available here in Peru (which i know is not recommended in many types of work) and some Singer sewing machione oil. It was initially completely unmoveable and now all parts are actually working. The chamber is rotating etc, though a bit sticky and the trigger is working. I WOULD NEVER BE TRYING TO FIRE A GUN OF THIS NATURE OK. Can anyone tell me though are such guns actually being fired by people? It is a beautiful little mechanism. I was wondering are there products available that you could dip such a gun in for a day and really remove a large amount of rust. I have found a few Rust removal sites but wonder what you guys suggest.. Once again thanks..
There are a few symbols plainly visible including a G and a crown and a star and a B I think
I like the unloading device, now all functioning
There are a few symbols plainly visible including a G and a crown and a star and a B I think
I like the unloading device, now all functioning
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Oh another thing could anyone tell me the name of this type of unloading devide ,when it came into action and when it was superseede by a better type of mecahnism. Also if someone can advise a really good book on restoring old arms i would be grateful. 0 -
You have a typical Belgian copy of a Webley "British Bulldog" and if still legible, there should be the ELG in an oval Liege proofmark on the cylinder. It probably dates from 1880-90s, but the swivel ejecctor rod design dates from ca 1870 and was still in use on this type revolver early 1900s. 0 -
The name of the "unloading device" is "extractor rod" and that type largely fell out of use in the West before World War I. There were probably some made after 1918 but not many. But the Soviets kept making Nagant revolvers with that type of extractor at least up through World War II.
There are many other designs of revolver extractor rod still in use.
Evaporust is very effective. I have left rusty parts soaking in it for two or three days. The rust is gone, just wash and wipe off a littl black material, dry, and oil. The steel is not affected.
http://www.evaporust.com/index.html
I do not know if you can get it in Peru.
Brownells has three different rust removers but they will not ship chemical products out of the USA.
Rust can be removed electrolytically with an automobile battery charger and sodium carbonate (washing soda) which should be available anywhere.
http://antique-engines.com/electrol.asp
OK, ejector rod. I just got the Zhuk book and he uses the terms interchangeably. Or his translator from the Russian does.
He has 6 pages of Bulldog revolvers. The OP's looks like his gun no 1002 but that is not much help because he does not give a maker for it. Probably unknowable.0 -
I have the brother to your revolver. Agree with the assessment by hrf as a probable Belgian copy to the RIC revolver. Caliber is LIKELY to be .320 European Revolver- which is NOT a .32 S&W- but a .32 Short Colt does match up. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Hawk Carse
The name of the "unloading device" is "extractor rod" and that type largely fell out of use in the West before World War I.
Not that it's important, but it's called an ejector rod by the Brits who originated it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by 11b6r
Agree with the assessment by hrf as a probable Belgian copy to the RIC revolver.
The Webley RIC's are large holster models; the bulldogs have same type action but are much smaller pocket models.0 -
Really appreciate the info guys has helped me a great deal.I am going to look into these rust removal products , the possibilities of getting such a thing to Peru,., Thanks 0
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