Tula Ammo
Anybody tried any of the Tula ammo in 223 caliber?
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Has anyone used this ammo in 7.62x39 because it is all I can find for my ak . Is it steel cased ? 0 -
IIRC, the Wolf steel case and Tula ammo are made in the same plant and are likely functionally identical.
Edit: I've run a box of the 7.62x39 (not .223) Tula ammo and had no problems with it.
To be clear here, "Wolf" is the name of the importer, and different types of "Wolf" ammo are made in different places. But its my understanding that the Wolf "black box" and the "Tula" branded ammo are the EXACT SAME THING.
Wolf/Tula are basically bottom of the barrel of the cheap Russian steel case ammo. (With Ulyanovsk and Barnaul/"Bear" ammo being a step up).
My personal take on this is that I won't run steel case ammo through AR-15 platform guns (period). Its probably fine for practice, if you clean well afterwards, but I don't want to.
For real "defense"/critical mission applications, I think you're far better off buying quality brass cased ammo.
Again, personally speaking, I only use steel case ammo in AK and SKS platform guns that have been designed to use it.0 -
Thanks. Midway has it on sale, I might try a couple of boxes. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by mackcrane
Thanks. Midway has it on sale, I might try a couple of boxes.I think you have the right idea....trying a couple boxes before you commit to a larger purchase.
I have heard from three sources that Tula ammo is of low quality compared to Wolf and the Bear brands of ammo. The same complaint came from all three individuals: failure to fire compared to other brands of steel cased ammunition.
I have no personal experience with Tula ammo other than avoiding it based upon experience related to me.
Also, I cannot speak to the comment that Tula, IIRC and Wolf brands of steel cased ammo are made in the same facility other than to ask the question, "Okay, but to what specification(s)?"
Of course a rebuttle comment to the above could be, "Well, what sense does it make to manufacture large volumes of commercial ammunition that consistently have an 8% to 12% failure rate?" The answer is, "It doesn't make sense." Therefore, the comments I heard may have been based upon a period of time wherein the Tula brand ammuntion was being manufactured elsewhere, or to a substandard spe3cification, or some other growing pains.
Anyway, that's what I know and I continue to make my buying decisions based on comments from those I know.0 -
I have tried a few boxes Tula .223 with no problems at all. Would not bother me to buy some more. In fact, I think I will check out the Midway sale. Thanks. 0 -
If you check the rounds with a magnet and most likely the bullets will appear to have a large steel content. What's your barrel & extractor worth? You know if you wear out the leed on a barrel no re-crowning will restore accuracy. Seems to work though. Seems the same quality as Wolf to be expected in my experiences. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 511pe
If you check the rounds with a magnet and most likely the bullets will appear to have a large steel content. What's your barrel & extractor worth? You know if you wear out the leed on a barrel no re-crowning will restore accuracy. Seems to work though. Seems the same quality as Wolf to be expected in my experiences.
There is no "most likely". Either the bullets are steel or they aren't.
In this case true steel core .223 and 7.62x39 ammo have been banned for years as "armor piercing" since they can be loaded into handguns.
Instead, the Wolf/Tula ammo uses bullets with a bi-metal jacket over a lead (or mixed metal) core. The jacket is a mild steel alloy that's copper washed.
Since your barrel steel ought to be far harder than the jackets on these bullets, and since they're lightly coated in copper anyway, I don't think you have much to worry about with respect to premature barrel wear here.
If you're interested in match-level accuracy, you're probably not using Wolf/Tula ammo to begin with!
One potential issue is that some ranges prohibit use of any bullets containing any steel (they run a 'magnet test'). So Wolf/Tula ammo may not be permitted everywhere.0 -
I have shot their 9mm and 45 and it works fine just a little dirty 0
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