Victory for NRA
Credit where credit is due.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/7662-nra-sells-out-second-amendment-on-patriot-act
defeat for freedom & gun owners.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/7662-nra-sells-out-second-amendment-on-patriot-act
defeat for freedom & gun owners.
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Status quo for the NRA. It is their agenda after all. [V] 0 -
There are alternatives to the NRA that actually believe in the four simple words 'Shall not be infringed':
http://gunowners.org/a05252011.htm0 -
Now wait! You have not given TR a chance to rationalize and justify the actions of his vaunted NRA!
CLEARLY the NRA is working to restore the rights of gunowners.
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More of the same thing...[V] 0 -
You said "NRA"
Duck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The stuff that the fan hits will be heading your way!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Oops! Already has!)0 -
Rand Paul is turning out to be a shrewd politician .
He has effectively put everyone of the Senators on record as to gun rights .
And many have no place to hide now !
I read where McConnell will more than likely face a primary challenge due to his lack of support for Paul's ammendment .0 -
Sounds like a revolution is brewing.... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
There are alternatives to the NRA that actually believe in the four simple words 'Shall not be infringed':
http://gunowners.org/a05252011.htm
I wonder how many people who will post in this thread are in any organization - whether gunowners.org or their state rifle & pistol organization?0 -
quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
There are alternatives to the NRA that actually believe in the four simple words 'Shall not be infringed':
http://gunowners.org/a05252011.htm
I wonder how many people who will post in this thread are in any organization - whether gunowners.org or their state rifle & pistol organization?
What does that have to do with the wayne laP goo guzzlers out there?
Don0 -
quote:Originally posted by dongizmo
quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
There are alternatives to the NRA that actually believe in the four simple words 'Shall not be infringed':
http://gunowners.org/a05252011.htm
I wonder how many people who will post in this thread are in any organization - whether gunowners.org or their state rifle & pistol organization?
What does that have to do with the wayne laP goo guzzlers out there?
Don
Just saying people do alot of complaining and don't participate at all, nothing changes. If another gun organization added membership and started taking from NRA they (NRA) might take note. But most gun owners sit on their fannies, gripe and do nothing but gripe. That changes nothing, but I guess it makes them feel better. That's all.0 -
So, whats the paul amendment say? From what Ive found so far, even pro-gun senators were running away from the amendment.
Also, are any of you FFL holders?0 -
Can someone provide a link to the post with all the compromises the NRA has made so we can ad this to the list? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Beeramid
Can someone provide a link to the post with all the compromises the NRA has made so we can ad this to the list?
Contact pickenup here
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4517740 -
quote:Originally posted by Hunter Mag
quote:Originally posted by Beeramid
Can someone provide a link to the post with all the compromises the NRA has made so we can ad this to the list?
Contact pickenup here
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=451774
that's a great link. Thanks for posting that.0 -
There's no reason for me to read the other responses, I just know that the NRA is NOT what they character themselves to be. Too much compromising and too much giving in on gun laws is UNACCEPTABLE in my book. The Second Amendment says what it says without specifics to regulation, limitation or bans on firearms.
I will not support any organization that does NOT whole-heartedly support the Second Amendment.0 -
quote:Originally posted by freemind
Now wait! You have not given TR a chance to rationalize and justify the actions of his vaunted NRA!
CLEARLY the NRA is working to restore the rights of gunowners.
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At least the NRA is doing more than posting their rantings on GB.com0 -
quote:Originally posted by Beeramid
Can someone provide a link to the post with all the compromises the NRA has made so we can ad this to the list?
Is a "compromise" automatically bad? Don't almost all people, countries, organizations sometimes make compromises?0 -
quote:Originally posted by dongizmo
quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
There are alternatives to the NRA that actually believe in the four simple words 'Shall not be infringed':
http://gunowners.org/a05252011.htm
I wonder how many people who will post in this thread are in any organization - whether gunowners.org or their state rifle & pistol organization?
What does that have to do with the wayne laP goo guzzlers out there?
Don
It appears you would rather avoid answering the question. You probably don't even have a good answer. The question is basically a statement saying that most people don't do even one damn thing to try and save our gun rights. But the worst people are the ones who do nothing all the while criticizing people and organizations that are doing something. A.K.A. free riders.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
There are alternatives to the NRA that actually believe in the four simple words 'Shall not be infringed':
http://gunowners.org/a05252011.htm
I am a member of GOA. But for anyone to ignore their overblown trademark phrase "no compromise" is to appear hypocritical. Reason being that GOA has been active for over 20 years. During that time we gun owners have gotten burdened with an awful lot of new gun laws and lost some gun rights. So how come nobody blames the GOA since they don't "compromise" and all? All the criticism is directed only at the NRA.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
There are alternatives to the NRA that actually believe in the four simple words 'Shall not be infringed':
http://gunowners.org/a05252011.htm
I wonder how many people who will post in this thread are in any organization - whether gunowners.org or their state rifle & pistol organization?
Organizations are not for everyone.
While I am a life member of both the Gunowners of America and the 2nd Amendment Foundation, I have personal reasons for these memberships that may not apply to others. IMO, the most important work that can be done is educating people as to the actual reason for the existence of the 2nd Amendment.
To do this, one almost always has to counter the conditioning put forth by the NRA, as evidenced by their reaction to Paul's amendment and their actions in the Heller case and the McDonald case as examples.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
There are alternatives to the NRA that actually believe in the four simple words 'Shall not be infringed':
http://gunowners.org/a05252011.htm
I wonder how many people who will post in this thread are in any organization - whether gunowners.org or their state rifle & pistol organization?
Organizations are not for everyone.
While I am a life member of both the Gunowners of America and the 2nd Amendment Foundation, I have personal reasons for these memberships that may not apply to others. IMO, the most important work that can be done is educating people as to the actual reason for the existence of the 2nd Amendment.
To do this, one almost always has to counter the conditioning put forth by the NRA, as evidenced by their reaction to Paul's amendment and their actions in the Heller case and the McDonald case as examples.
Good answer but the anti-constitutional, anti-gun side is very well organized and funded. While individuals can fight them to a degree, to fight and win will require our own pro-constitutional organizations.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
There are alternatives to the NRA that actually believe in the four simple words 'Shall not be infringed':
http://gunowners.org/a05252011.htm
I wonder how many people who will post in this thread are in any organization - whether gunowners.org or their state rifle & pistol organization?
Organizations are not for everyone.
While I am a life member of both the Gunowners of America and the 2nd Amendment Foundation, I have personal reasons for these memberships that may not apply to others. IMO, the most important work that can be done is educating people as to the actual reason for the existence of the 2nd Amendment.
To do this, one almost always has to counter the conditioning put forth by the NRA, as evidenced by their reaction to Paul's amendment and their actions in the Heller case and the McDonald case as examples.
Good answer but the anti-constitutional, anti-gun side is very well organized and funded. While individuals can fight them to a degree, to fight and win will require our own pro-constitutional organizations.
particularly when there are gun owners that come down on the side of gun control, just like those that coddle Cox and LaPeee-u-air.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
Good answer but the anti-constitutional, anti-gun side is very well organized and funded. While individuals can fight them to a degree, to fight and win will require our own pro-constitutional organizations.
I mentioned the two best (IMO) Pro-Constitutional organizations that have a national reach and impact. It is up to us, however, to individual point others to these groups and also to educate people as to what infringed (for example) actually means. Subordinating the 2nd Amendment to a discussion about self-protection and the shooting sports lowers the bar of freedom, and allows for the distorted view that many have today.
It should be obvious that an organization that makes a portion of its money in the training and permitting of people for concealed carry has a conflict of interest regarding the definition of infringe.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by freemind
Now wait! You have not given TR a chance to rationalize and justify the actions of his vaunted NRA!
CLEARLY the NRA is working to restore the rights of gunowners.
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At least the NRA is doing more than posting their rantings on GB.com
Are you seriously comfortable with that, eh, less than intellegent response?
How come your standard response IS, "at least the NRA is doing something"? Do you realize that you surely make it sound like YOU pass YOUR responsibilites off to the NRA, that are YOUR responsibilites as a citizen? You talk about others getting a "free ride" but you certainly shirk your responsibilites if you rely on the NRA to represent YOU. If you are not 100% on board with what they do, you support them 100% anyway.
Paying dues to the NRA is like paying someone to "satisfy" your wife. [xx(]0 -
And GOA has now branched out from Second into right wing politics. Not what I paid dues for so they lost me. 0 -
What has the GOA done to turn the tide in DC? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
And GOA has now branched out from Second into right wing politics. Not what I paid dues for so they lost me.
I am unaware of this, He Dog.
A quick check of their web-site didn't reveal anything that was unrelated to firearms.
Could you elaborate or point me to what it is you are referring?
Thanks,
Don0 -
quote:Originally posted by wpage
What has the GOA done to turn the tide in DC?
For starters they aren't part of the problem that is DC
%^&* compromise, that is all the NRA does, It has not made a damm bit of difference, other than infringe ones individual rights.
$%^& compromise $%^& it!0 -
quote:Is a "compromise" automatically bad? Don't almost all people, countries, organizations sometimes make compromises?
If it is a compromise of my rights, the answer is always yes.0
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