Shipping Pistol
I have a gun to ship to Springfield TN from Texas. When I ran the data through GB's discounted shipping it tallied up $79 including insurance because it would only let me ship at the overnight residential rates. Is this right?
Thanks for you comments.
Thanks for you comments.
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I have been told to ship a pistol the over night option must be used no madder how it is shipped. Is this true? Thank You 0 -
"matter" Check the closed topics. You will get all the info you need. 0 -
Here is a direct link to the ATF rules for shipping, http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html
Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?
A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.
[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]
Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?
A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]
In short you can mail or ship a long gun though any carrier including USPS. If you are an FFL holder (not including 03) you can ship handguns though USPS. If you are not an FFL you have to ship handguns by common carrier. The two most common carriers are UPS and Fedex. Both require overnight shipping by company POLICY not law and will only accept firearms at their hubs. Federal law does require that you disclose to a shipper if a package contains a firearm.0 -
My friendly local FFL will ship a handgun via USPS.
Charges $10 + $15 for a total of $25.
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quote:Originally posted by cpermd
My friendly local FFL will ship a handgun via USPS.
Charges $10 + $15 for a total of $25.
CP
Isutoad,
Follow this advice for your best, and least expensive options. It will take the responsibility away from you, and cost at least $20.00-30.00 less.
Hang on to that one CP, as they are giving you a great deal!0 -
Countryfarmer,
You quoted an incorrect FAQ from the BATFE web site, i.e. "Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?
A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]"
I contacted the BATFE and they acknowledge THAT faq is incomplete/incorrect as published, but said it wasn't worth their time to correct the web site. If you read the actual LAW quoted at the end of the FAQ, and don't just rely on the FAQ then you will see that there is a HUGE exception to the rule about notifying the common carrier. In most cases federal law does NOT require you to notify the common carrier. Read the old discussions and you will see this hashed out in detail. It basically comes down to the carrier, not the feds, that want you to declare the gun. In most cases, it is your choice whether or not to declare it. If you DON'T, you have a certain element of risk that their insurance MIGHT not cover a loss. But, in most cases, it is definitely NOT a federal crime not to disclose it. So it comes down to a personal choice of how lucky do you feel and how much do you want to pay for shipping. Google the law cited and read up on the significant exceptions to ensure you are obeying the law as written and not just some "Readers Digest condensed version" [:D] posted on some FAQ page. FAQ's are useful. But, by their very nature, they involve condensations, interpretations, and omissions, all in the goal of brevity. [:D]0 -
If you DON'T, you have a certain element of risk that their insurance MIGHT not cover a loss. But, in most cases, it is definitely NOT a federal crime not to disclose it. So it comes down to a personal choice of how lucky do you feel and how much do you want to pay for shipping.
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also if the shipper finds out that you failed to notify them that it was a handgun that you shipped the cheap way they may just turn that shippment around and send it right back to you , then you are out the cost of the first shippment plus shipping it again0 -
I understand why folks smuggle drugs; if you get away with it, you can make lots of money.
But, why would you get creative with firearms shipping, just to save $20-30?
Andrew is correct, technically you don't need to declare the contents to a commercial carrier if the recipient is an FFL. But, federal law DOES require a common carrier to get an Adult Signature for all firearms deliveries. If your shipment of "machine parts" is left on the front steps, & a 14-year-old takes the gun & shoots up a school, it doesn't take a lot of imagination to foresee how this could lead to 5-10 years in a federal institution.
Neal
"Arrest now, litigate later." ---- ATF motto0 -
For the thief/shooter, not the victim of theft/shipper. [:)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
For the thief/shooter, not the victim of theft/shipper. [:)]
READ BETWEEN THE LINES!
quote:federal law DOES require a common carrier to get an Adult Signature for all firearms deliveries
In order for the carrier to know that they need to get an authorized ADULT signature, it has to be declared a firearm.
I am sure if a carrier realized that someone duped them into shipping a firearm without getting the signature, that it could be a legal nightmare for the person shipping the firearm. Certainly the press would have a heyday, and brand them an illegal gun runner, too.
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Not according to the BATFE. I submitted the question in writing and their written response was quite explicit. If you are shipping TO an FFL, federal law does not require you to disclose to the carrier that it is a firearm. You present a plain brown box to the carrier that weighs X pounds and going X miles. Based on that they charge you, deliver the box, and that is the end of the deal. YOU have no liability since you obeyed the law. But, like I said, it is your choice to ship by GROUND at a much lower price and accept the POSSIBILITY of loss and their refusal to reimburse. Or you can decide NOT to take the risk, pay the higher price, and STILL face the possibility they will try to dispute the loss (AND I'VE HEARD THEY USUALLY DO). Personal choice. I know of lots of FFLs and private shippers who have used the less expensive GROUND option for years and have had no problems. They have spoken up on the previous discussions of this topic. It is each person's choice. [:)]
All I object to on these discussions is people misrepresenting the federal law AND throwing up overly imaginative legal "what ifs" to try to scare a shipper. Like Sgt Friday said, "Just the facts, Ma'am". [:)]0
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