value of old 1911
I found a original (I think) colt 1911 coming up at a local live auction...dont know a whole lot about these...so tell me what you think..
serial number 9836
about 30% finish.. with all original parts (has far as I can tell)
I know pictures are needed, Im working on it, never did it yet but I will learn real fast for this, but how about a ball part figure of worth in the mean time. And maybe some pointers for things to look for.
auction is on Sat may 21, will have pictures post well before then.
Thank You
serial number 9836
about 30% finish.. with all original parts (has far as I can tell)
I know pictures are needed, Im working on it, never did it yet but I will learn real fast for this, but how about a ball part figure of worth in the mean time. And maybe some pointers for things to look for.
auction is on Sat may 21, will have pictures post well before then.
Thank You
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The serial number doesn't appear correct. Need quality photos. Many after market manufacturers have made Colt copies since the 70's. Serial number that low might be one of these. Lot of them were crappy, poor quality turds, that you want to stay away from. Also 30% finish is a negative unless it's a original Colt from 1911/12 which would be in that serial number range. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
The serial number doesn't appear correct. Need quality photos. Many after market manufacturers have made Colt copies since the 70's. Serial number that low might be one of these. Lot of them were crappy, poor quality turds, that you want to stay away from. Also 30% finish is a negative unless it's a original Colt from 1911/12 which would be in that serial number range.
The auctioneer claims it was made in 1911......Im working on pictures
This pistol clearly is old, just judgeing by the wear on the grips, but of coarse anything is possible!
Thank you
EDIT...To save time go to Auction zip....area code 16648 and the auction is on sat may 21, pictures are there.0 -
Colt 1911 No 9836 was made in 1912.
Colt Government Model C9836 was made in 1914.
(Military vs commercial)
30% finish left by honest wear and all original parts would have substantial value. Abuse and neglect and replacement parts would hurt a lot.
I got tired of playing hide and seek with auctionzip.
Do you have a direct link?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Hawk Carse
Colt 1911 No 9836 was made in 1912.
Colt Government Model C9836 was made in 1914.
(Military vs commercial)
30% finish left by honest wear and all original parts would have substantial value. Abuse and neglect and replacement parts would hurt a lot.
I got tired of playing hide and seek with auctionzip.
Do you have a direct link?
http://www.auctionzip.com/cgi-bin/auctionview.cgi?lid=1134904&kwd=pistol,rifle,luger&zip=16635&category=00 -
The auction photos leave a lot to be desired. They should be tight high quality close-ups for positive identification purposes.
If you can have a actual hands-on with the pistol prior to the auction, this site, http://www.coolgunsite.com/ has a gallery of early production 1911's, showing specific identification points. I would print the photos and data from the site and take it with you to compare it to the 1911 being auctioned.0 -
quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
The auction photos leave a lot to be desired. They should be tight high quality close-ups for positive identification purposes.
If you can have a actual hands-on with the pistol prior to the auction, this site, http://www.coolgunsite.com/ has a gallery of early production 1911's, showing specific identification points. I would print the photos and data from the site and take it with you to compare it to the 1911 being auctioned.
Yes, I will get to have hands on the pistol a few hours before the start of the auction.
Thank you very much for the help. Ill post the results if I will it!0 -
If this is the real deal, what is the upper limit value?
Ive searched the auction side and got results all over the map, but ones like this are rare.
I got some jack to spend, but I what to spend it wisely.
The site posted above is very helpful, thanks again.0 -
Auctions are a funny thing, and I don't mean that good way. Something like this early 1911 military which if factory original, and having the Colt vintage parts with correct factory and inspectors markings, could spiral out of control money wise due to auction fever. Although it's pretty rough looking in the photos, original pistols such as this are sought after by both collectors and dealers for restoration.
If it checks out correctly with all the data points from the coolgun site, my WAG is that rough as it is it would still be in the $1500-$2500 range. Whatever you do set yourself up with a maximum amount before you go to the auction, don't get caught up in any bidding wars.0 -
With apologies to "the middle", I ended up buying 9836 at the auction on Saturday. It was bone dry and filthy but cleaned up well. It is a very interesting piece with a mixture of original and WW1-era replacement parts.
First, the slide and frame match and are in about 40 - 50% original blue finish with all of the correct markings in the proper places. The pistol has its original grips too with wear matching the metal finish. The rear sight is a post-1913 with squared corners that are so pinged down that they almost look like an original rounded rear sight. I think that the barrel may be a Remington-UMC WW1-era replacement. It has a "P" stamped on top (with no "H") that is visible with the slide in firing position. There is also an odd character stamped just forward of the barrel lug but I can't decipher it.
The mag is a WW1-era with no lanyard loop and the recoil spring plug is the 3rd type with the rounded punch hole rather than the original rectangular hole. Everything else looks as it should be but I am no expert. #9836 is a great representative piece of early 1911 history even with the period of use replacement parts and I am thrilled to have found it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by validator
With apologies to "the middle", I ended up buying 9836 at the auction on Saturday. It was bone dry and filthy but cleaned up well. It is a very interesting piece with a mixture of original and WW1-era replacement parts.
First, the slide and frame match and are in about 40 - 50% original blue finish with all of the correct markings in the proper places. The pistol has its original grips too with wear matching the metal finish. The rear sight is a post-1913 with squared corners that are so pinged down that they almost look like an original rounded rear sight. I think that the barrel may be a Remington-UMC WW1-era replacement. It has a "P" stamped on top (with no "H") that is visible with the slide in firing position. There is also an odd character stamped just forward of the barrel lug but I can't decipher it.
The mag is a WW1-era with no lanyard loop and the recoil spring plug is the 3rd type with the rounded punch hole rather than the original rectangular hole. Everything else looks as it should be but I am no expert. #9836 is a great representative piece of early 1911 history even with the period of use replacement parts and I am thrilled to have found it.
Don't keep us in suspense? What did you have to spring for it?0
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