Peruvian Rifle
sorry first time here and trying to identify a bolt action rifle from Peru. I think it might be something from WWII but not sure.It has absolutely no markings that I can find anywhere apart from the tiniest of W's and a nos 4 on the bottom of the magazine which appears to be maybe five shots at tops. I would like to post some photos because I am really stumped and do not know where to start with this rifle. Trouble is I am not sure how to put the photos into my text. I looked in the FAQ and no joy..sorry for the lack of expertise people. If anyone could help I would really appreciate it.
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You must not have looked very hard [;)] 
If there are no markings, how do you know it is Peruvian?
If it IS Peruvian, my bet is on some form of Peruvian Mauser.
Go with the link from the "sticky" as circled in my pic upload on the main ask the experts page and we should be able to nail it down.
Welcome to the forum!0 -
Instructions at this link, for posting photos in the forum.
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=259294
Most military rifles have national and manufacturers markings, or both. One without markings has probably been reworked/refinished, making identification difficult. The best you can probably do it to take it to a competent gunsmith for a chamber cast, inspection/headspace and test firing.0 -
Thanks guys I will try and get those photos up now..When I say Peruvian I mean I bought it here, I live here. Apparently it's NOT a Mauser, as the guys says he has what I assume is an older 1893 type spanish Mauser. According to some of your forums i see an 1893 type spanish Mauser, is not worth a great deal in the States maybe 200 dollars or something? Is that kind of a ball park figure as I assume that these firearams here are not in super great condition compared to some that I have seen in forums such as yours? 0 -
not a great photo
a better shot of the sight. The gun has a very good sight,precisely marked
a full shot , not the best light0 -
I see an 1891 Mauser with the handguard removed and the stock shortened. It was the standard infantry rifle in Peru from 1901 until 1910 when it was replaced by the 1909 Mauser. Caliber is 7.65x53 used by Argentina and Belgium as well as Peru.
Discussion at:
http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/peru.html0 -
I know my photos are not the best but I will gladly put up some more photos with better detail if someone needs something. The front sight is quite distinctive and also at the back of the bolt is a swivel nut kind of device which I assume is the safety.
The bottom of the magazine has a W 4 7 though it looks like something has oxidised off between the 7 and the 4.
I Would really like some feedback as I have no idea what this firearm is worth. It "feels" like it could still be fired but I would obviously need to check that with an an expert here in Lima.0 -
Because of the magazine that protrudes down in front of the trigger guard the rifle can be identified as a Model 1891 Mauser. Both Argentina and Peru bought thousands of these rifles from the Germans in the 1890's. Your rifle can be identified as being Peruvian because of the "Lange" rear sight that was fitted to it after the turn of the 20th Century, when the Peruvians adopted the German, light weight, pointed, "Spizer" bullet. The cartridge your rifle was originally chambered for is the 7.65 X 53 military rifle cartridge.
EDIT #1, As the previous poster noted the rifle has been "sporterized", i.e. converted into a hunting rifle. This negatively affects it's value to a military rifle collector. I have no idea of it's value in Peru nowadays? But in the States because of it's condition and removal of all military markings, it's value would only be around $100.0 -
Thanks a lot hawke, that discussion on peruvian rifles is really excellent..I feel like I am immediately a lot closer. Is there any way to find the serial in an old fire arm like this when it is not obvious. i.e do they appear inside on any of the parts? 0 -
you guys are good, I am impressed.. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by coltrane
Thanks a lot hawke, that discussion on peruvian rifles is really excellent..I feel like I am immediately a lot closer. Is there any way to find the serial in an old fire arm like this when it is not obvious. i.e do they appear inside on any of the parts?
The serial number would have been stamped on the left side of the receiver just to the rear of the barrel. The police have methods for bringing out serial numbers that have been removed or defaced. I don't know what the laws are in Peru, but in the States the police will arrest a individual they find with a firearm that has it's serial number removed.0
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