Confused about choke tubes
I am trying to understand which chokes to use that are safe for tungsten - in particular Federal Heavyweight shot. I have a Winchester Model 23 which I know is okay for steel. It has fixed full/full chokes, but I want to install choke tubes. The problem is most of the chokes I see listed that are tighter than modified say "Lead Only". How can it be safe to shoot the factory fixed full, but when I add stainless steel tubes I won't be able to use anything up to modified - at least for flush mounted chokes like Carlson, Trulock, etc.? Thanks!
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Contact. www.briley.com. They do a great job. I have a 23 that they changed for me. 0 -
Duckhunter,
Do you use extended or flush mount chokes. Are you shooting tungsten?0 -
Both type of tubes and I shoot steel, tungsten, and lead. 0 -
I always thought the stainless carlsons allowed you to go into the full choke but no more.
The only tube I have that says lead only is a X-full turkey tube.0 -
A lot of useful choke tube information available here, as well.
http://www.choketube.com/truchoke.html0 -
With steel or Tungsten, a the modified for lead will throw a full pattern with steel or tungsten. They make chokes just for steel, and the constriction of the full chokes is about equal to the constriction on the modifieds made for lead. If you run a made for lead full, or extra full with Tungsten, or steel, you are going to split it.
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tsr1965:
So what happens when you shoot tungsten through a factory full fixed choke on a gun like the winchester model 23 - which says in the literature from the 1980s that it is chrome lined and safe for steel (which I believe makes it safe for tunsten, too). I appreciate your comments! Thanks!0 -
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tsr1965:
So what happens when you shoot tungsten through a factory full fixed choke on a gun like the winchester model 23 - which says in the literature from the 1980s that it is chrome lined and safe for steel (which I believe makes it safe for tunsten, too). I appreciate your comments! Thanks!
It makes no difference if it is a fixed choke, or a screw in type choke. The Tungsten/polymer matrix(read heavy shot in general), is harder and denser than steel, and will chew up the choke, and split your barrel.
If you actually take the chokes that are labeled for heavy shot, and say full on them, and measure the constriction, they will be very close to the same constriction of the modified choke for lead shot.
You are making a big mistake by assuming that if it is safe for steel, that it is safe for Tungsten.
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tsr1965:
This is where I got the idea that tungsten was okay in steel approved guns like the Winchester Model 23. I follow you on the choke issue, that makes sense.
From article by Layne Simpson
TUNGSTEN-IRON
As one might expect upon hearing its name, Tungsten-Iron shot loaded by Federal is a mixture of tungsten and iron. With about the same density as Kent's Tungsten-Matrix, it delivers more individual pellet energy than steel when pellets of the same size are compared. Even though Tungsten-Iron shot is harder than steel shot, it can be used in guns designed for use with steel. Federal's use of a plastic shotcup with extremely thick petals protects the shotgun barrel from damage, but the extra thickness takes up a lot of room and this reduces the amount of shot that can be loaded when compared to bismuth, Tungsten-Matrix and Hevi-Shot.0 -
Non lead shot shoots tighter patterns, a modified choke is all you ever need with Steel-hevi-whatever, the pattern does not open up like lead due to limited deformity of the pellets. The pellets run out of energy before the pattern is too open.
Over constricting the shot actually makes patterns much worse. Pattern your gun with modified and you will be surprised how well it does.0
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