milsurp bolt action pistol version
ok so from what i know if i just take a rifle and cut the stock and a lot of the barrel off it would have to be registered as a sbr or it would be illegal.
so could i have a new receiver made, have that registered as a pistol and put all the rifle parts on it.
if so how much would it cost keeping in mind that it doesn't have to be very well made, i only need it to work accuracy isn't a factor as it would be for hip firing.
so could i have a new receiver made, have that registered as a pistol and put all the rifle parts on it.
if so how much would it cost keeping in mind that it doesn't have to be very well made, i only need it to work accuracy isn't a factor as it would be for hip firing.
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quote:Originally posted by spas12
ok so from what i know if i just take a rifle and cut the stock and a lot of the barrel off it would have to be registered as a sbr or it would be illegal.
That's correct.
Assuming you live in the USA, and in a jurisdiction within the USA that permits short barreled rifles (some places don't), if you wanted to start with a RIFLE and create any firearm with a barrel under 16 inches long and/or an overall length under 26 inches, then you need to do the paperwork and registration FIRST.
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so could i have a new receiver made, have that registered as a pistol and put all the rifle parts on it.
What are you trying to do here? If indeed you are trying to create a pistol version of a conventional surplus bolt action military rifle, I think you're going to have a pretty hard time getting a new receiver made!
If you were to attach a buttstock to any pistol action you've just created a short-barreled rifle. That's illegal without paperwork and tax stamp (see above).
If you were to attach a buttstock *AND* a long barrel to a pistol you've just built a rifle. That's legal, but once you've turned your pistol into a rifle, its then a rifle.
Once its a rifle, you can't take off the long barrel and put a short one one, or take off the stock to create anything under 26" long without doing the paperwork and paying the $200 tax first(see above).
Note that if you WANT to build a conventional 16"/26" rifle, there is no advantage to starting with a "pistol" receiver.
You could legally take any bolt action rifle, chop its barrel down to 16.25" and chop off most of its stock, leaving just enough to satisfy the 26" overall length requirement (or leave more barrel and less stock). Of course what you'd be left with would be uncomfortable to shoot, kick like a mule, make a huge fireball from the muzzle on shooting, be REALLY loud, not as portable as a true pistol, and have negligible resale value. . . but you wouldn't be breaking any laws in building it.
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f so how much would it cost keeping in mind that it doesn't have to be very well made, i only need it to work accuracy isn't a factor as it would be for hip firing.
Again, it would help if you would be explicit about what exactly you are after here.
If all you want is a PISTOL but in a RIFLE caliber, there are plenty of LEGAL pistols built on AR-15 and Kalashniknov actions out there you can buy. The AK pistols fire the full 7.62x39 round, take ordinary AK magazines, and can be had brand new for under $400.
AR-15 or similar .223 type pistols start at about $600.
There are also several other bolt-action type pistols on the market that take rifle-caliber rounds, eg the Thompson Contender. But these are not quite "military surplus".
In general, if you want to create a short barreled rifle (which could include what is functionally a pistol made from a cut down rifle), you're looking at the cost of whatever rifle you're starting with, plus a $200 tax stamp, plus cost of your time and effort in building it and doing the paperwork.
A "Obrez" (cut down Mosin-nagant bolt action rifle) will cost you $270. . .$70 for the rifle, $200 for the tax stamp, whatever your time is worth for the paperwork, and 15 minutes with a hacksaw. But setting fire to your target and breaking your wrist when you shoot it? Priceless!0 -
i'll try to be as specific as i can basically i want something like the "obrez" but it could be made from any cheap bolt action. i would like to know how i can do this legally without it being a sbr and if possible an estimate of the cost to have a new receiver made, i know it can be done and obviously if its a pistol there isn't a $200 tax stamp
also would it really have a lot of recoil i have a single shot 12 gauge thats had the barrel cut to just above the legal limit and it doesn't kick bad with low brass shells its evan manageable one handed0 -
A $200 tax stamp is going to be cheaper than trying to get a new receiver or having a receiver made. The minimum you are looking at in price when you are done is $200 and that would be if someone gave you a rifle to start with.
You can start with a new receiver but that will probably run you in the $400 range right there not counting the parts you will need to complete it.
i only need it to work accuracy isn't a factor as it would be for hip firing. If you don't care about accuracy, just buy a pump shotgun, apply for the tax stamp and cut it down. I'm not sure what advantage if any a short rifle would have.0 -
Beantown gave a great response, & I doubt that anyone could do a better job. Let me make it simple:
1. You cannot cut down a rifle to the size of an Obrez without making an SBR.
2. You can have a custom bolt action receiver made; prices start at $1,000.
3. If you use a rifle chambered in 7.62x54R like the M-N, yes the recoil will be something you cannot handle.
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The simplest, easiest way I can see to get the caliber you want in a handgun form, without a ton of hassle, is to get a Thompson Center Encore. Then you can shoot everything from .17 Rem on up to .460-Wby Magnum...that is if you so wish to break your wrist in the process. Nevermind the cost of the fire department to come out and put the fire out on your target that spread to your field because you were at the hospital getting your wrist taken care of....[}:)][;)] You could also have a Remington XP-100 reworked too. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by spas12
i'll try to be as specific as i can basically i want something like the "obrez" but it could be made from any cheap bolt action. i would like to know how i can do this legally without it being a sbr and if possible an estimate of the cost to have a new receiver made, i know it can be done and obviously if its a pistol there isn't a $200 tax stamp
also would it really have a lot of recoil i have a single shot 12 gauge thats had the barrel cut to just above the legal limit and it doesn't kick bad with low brass shells its evan manageable one handed
a. If you live in the USA you cannot legally chop down any rifle into a pistol without paperwork and tax stamp.
b. New bolt action rifle receiver? Forget it. . .not cost effective. As already mentioned, there is no way you can have a bolt action rifle receiver made for less than the cost of a cheap surplus rifle + $200.
c. In honestly, I don't think the recoil on this is prohibitive, especially if you fire it with two hands. The short barrel greatly lowers the projectile velocity, and therefore the recoil. But you *WILL* get a big muzzle flash.
See here for what it looks like to fire one of these:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXMYhekpGhI
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d. At under $100 a pop, the surplus Mosin Nagant are the cheapest readily available surplus military bolt action rifles I know of, plus cheap surplus ammo is still readily available.
e. Mosin Nagant will give you 5 shots; most of the bolt action pistols in rifle caliber will give you one shot.0 -
quote:Originally posted by spas12
ok so from what i know if i just take a rifle and cut the stock and a lot of the barrel off it would have to be registered as a sbr or it would be illegal.
so could i have a new receiver made, have that registered as a pistol and put all the rifle parts on it.
if so how much would it cost keeping in mind that it doesn't have to be very well made, i only need it to work accuracy isn't a factor as it would be for hip firing.
It's not military, but you can buy a Remington 700 "virgin" action (no barrrel, no stock) and have it fitted with a barrel and handgun stock. The receiver will be 4473'd as "other" and so long as you do not configure it as a long gun, but configure it as a handgun only, you can have your "bolt action handgun". From Brownells they go from about $350.00 to $450.00:
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=32498/avs|Manufacturer_1=REMINGTON/Product/REMINGTON_700_RECEIVERS
Depending on the stock and bottom metal you could build bolt action handgun with a 10 shot detachable magazine.0 -
quote:Originally posted by beantownshootah
quote:Originally posted by spas12
ok so from what i know if i just take a rifle and cut the stock and a lot of the barrel off it would have to be registered as a sbr or it would be illegal.
There are also several other bolt-action type pistols on the market that take rifle-caliber rounds, eg the Thompson Contender. But these are not quite "military surplus".
T/C Contender is a break-open, single shot pistol, as is the Encore; no bolt=no bolt action.
Sounds like he wants a Tokarev caliber "Mares' Leg" like Steve McQueen used to carry.0
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