reloade ammo and laws selling mp44..
Hi, I have a couple of questions and I hope someone here knows the answers.
My father passed away just over a month ago and with my Mom we went through all his remaining guns and ammo. We found a Sturmgewehr 44, the 1945 model not breached in real good shape with a clip and seems to click when trigger is pulled. Also have a .32 caliber pistol that need repairs must of been one of his last projects he did not finish. Also there is reloaded .38 ammunition not for a snub nose pistol long loads all lead bullets and some with shotgun pellets.
We wish to sell these items legally and want to make sure before i list anything what the laws are on such things as reloaded ammo as well as the MP44 and can I sell the .32 as an antique as well as the MP44? I just want to make sure my mother gets what they are worth I know the mp44 alone goes for $14k the others not so much. WE MAY have a four serial number colt .45 as well and we do have an antique .22 pump action rifle in good shape needs cleaning but worked last time I knew.
If anyone knows the legal way I can sell these for my Mother please contact me thanks. I needs to be assured I am following the laws both Federal and local.
Regards
Fenris
My father passed away just over a month ago and with my Mom we went through all his remaining guns and ammo. We found a Sturmgewehr 44, the 1945 model not breached in real good shape with a clip and seems to click when trigger is pulled. Also have a .32 caliber pistol that need repairs must of been one of his last projects he did not finish. Also there is reloaded .38 ammunition not for a snub nose pistol long loads all lead bullets and some with shotgun pellets.
We wish to sell these items legally and want to make sure before i list anything what the laws are on such things as reloaded ammo as well as the MP44 and can I sell the .32 as an antique as well as the MP44? I just want to make sure my mother gets what they are worth I know the mp44 alone goes for $14k the others not so much. WE MAY have a four serial number colt .45 as well and we do have an antique .22 pump action rifle in good shape needs cleaning but worked last time I knew.
If anyone knows the legal way I can sell these for my Mother please contact me thanks. I needs to be assured I am following the laws both Federal and local.
Regards
Fenris
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Need quality photos for accurate identification and assessment of value. There is a "Sticky" on the top of the first page giving instructions for posting photos.
As far as the MP 44 is concerned, check your father's effects for the U.S. Government issued amnesty papers. They would be dated December 1968 or earlier. Without these papers the MP 44 would not be legal to own or sell. Needless to say if it isn't legal it wouldn't be worth 14K.0 -
The MP-44 needed to be registered on or before the close of the November 1968 amnesty for National Firearms Act weapons, which included machine guns. If this was not done then it cannot be done now and the weapon is contraband and cannot be legally sold to anyone. If the MP-44 was registered then there should be paperwork somewhere so start looking through your dad's files. If no papers can be located then the executor of your father's estate (who ever that person is) must contact the BATFE and notify them of the existence of the weapon and they will search their files to see if they can find any record of it being registered. If no such registration exists then the MP-44 must be surrendered, it cannot be retained or sold, although the BATFE may allow you to retain the parts- less the receiver, which are of value by themselves. There are also a handful of government accredited museums to which you may be allowed to donate the complete firearm, but that will be with BATFE approval. If papers can be located you ahve a very valuable asset but if there is no paperwork then the gun is nothing but trouble. 0 -
I already have someone checking into the serial of the MP44 as we cannot find any paperwork but we know he bought it when he had a CLASS III machine gun license and dealer in the early 80s. It was obtained legally we just have to get the legal paperwork for it then it can be transferred properly.. Its the reloaded ammo I was curious is it better and legal to sell it online and get more of its value or is a yard sale for such a thing ok and legal? No guns will be sold in such a sale just reloaded ammo.
Basically he was a fully FFL and Class III licensed dealer and retired and from what i understand once he retired it became personal property and now my Mother owns all his former guns and such. As long as we verify the serial numbers on each one as we know they were bought legal but where he put the paperwork no one knows. I just want to verify that such transfers are legal for her, of course if the serial number have a problem we would surrender it but we know that is not the case. What are your thoughts with the ammo is that legal to sell at a yard sale in Vt or do we need to check with city law as well here?
Thanks and again its not the mp44 I need help with I have a WWII expert on that supposedly, but the others such as the model 1890 pump action .22 and maybe the four serial number colt .45. I will get images of them as well as the ammo if needed. I already have pics of the MP 44 but would rather not post them public but its as in good of shape as any I have seen for sale on line =] we just want to be sure it is legal to sell the ammo next weekend or does the ammo also need to go to a dealer or such or do we need to have proof they are 18 and take copy of ID for ammo? I know how to sell the guns properly just not the ammo. regards. Fenris0 -
The reloaded ammunition cannot legally be sold. Without a manufacturers license, reloads are for personal use only.
While you could legally give the reloads away, that could expose the estate to legal action if someone claimed injury from it. You could break it down & sell some of the components; otherwise, it would be best to take it to the dump.
See ATF P5300.4 page 185.
Neal
EDIT: Well, his plans are to sell them if he can, & make some money. Is that "selling for profit"? Maybe yes, maybe no. Sure, you can argue that you can sell a firearm for profit without having an FFL, but the ATF regs don't say guns are for "personal use only". Most folks won't buy personal reloads anyway, because they have no way of knowing if the loader knew what he was doing; so, the OP won't get much for them, if anything. I won't even give someone my reloads; if his gun blows up for any reason, I wouldn't want him to sue me. Some things just aren't worth doing.0 -
Great thanks for the info Neil! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by fenris042
Great thanks for the info Neil!
Sorry Neal.0 -
I could be wrong but the para. noted it specifies enagaged in the business of selling or distributing for a profit. Since you are neither engaged in the business nor selling for a profit I believe it is totally legal 0 -
If you are selling reloads, your's or someone else's, for shooting use then this is filled with liability pitfalls and the seller assumes a lot of the risks if something goes wrong (KABOOM). If you want to actually sell the ammo you need to be very clear that it is sold for COMPONENTS ONLY and hand sign a letter stating that fact when you give it to the buyer. 0
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