SIG 229 or Walther P99
Hey guy's about to buy a new pistol, Im debating between the Sig 229 and the Walther P99, I already have a Glock 22, and I feel the 9mm is a much better fit, not as much snap to it, I'm just as accurate with the .40 as the 9mm, but I'm still debating because in reality a .40 and 9mm there isn't a huge difference it's about the shot placement.. I feel comfortable with both but would you guys recommend one or the other? I've shot both, in both calibers and I liked them both, Sigs and Walthers are great guns, but I just cant decide which one to go with.. I want a gun I can be accurate with and be able to unload quick if the situation arises.. It's just a flip of the coin at this point.. any advice would be appreciated.
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I have a 228 & 2-226,s & a P99. I like all three.
Go with the one that fits you best, and you shoot best.
I stick with 9mm & 45acp. because that's what I load for.0 -
Most important thing is that both are durable and reliable guns, and you really can't go wrong with either. It largely comes down to personal preference. Whichever one YOU like better is better, and it really is that simple.
On this vs that, both guns have sort of a "traditional" double action, of DA first shot, SA subsequent shot, though each gun has multiple trigger variations if you want them (ie DA only, etc).
SIG is steel, so its a good bit heavier that the Walther (32 oz for SIG vs 24 oz for Walther, both with mags). That means it has less recoil, though I'd say the Walther recoil still isn't bad. You can snap off rounds pretty fast with the Walther with a bit of practice.
IMO Walther has a better DA trigger pull than the stock 229. Both SIG and Walther have very good SA trigger pulls.
Walther is a bit slimmer (1.14" vs 1.5" for the SIG). You can definitely feel the difference, but whether or not that's an advantage depends on your hand size and how you are carrying it. Walther, of course, has the adjustable insert grip, though again, whether or not this is actually an advantage depends on your hand. I don't have any issues with the SIG grip.
If you like the "anti-stress" trigger that could be a reason to get the Walther. That feature is something like carrying "cocked and locked" only a short trigger pull unlocks the gun (instead of a thumb safety). Of course if you don't like this feature you can just carry decocked for a DA first pull (which is what I do).
Walther lacks an external hammer, though its striker is visible and feelable from the rear of the gun when cocked.
Walther is basically the same overall size and weight as a Glock 19, but but a little more ergonomic, and with a traditional DA/SA pull and decocker.
The SIG is more like a conventional service pistol reduced in size for concealment.
I've shot both of these quite a bit, and I'm actually going to go against the majority here and pick the Walther. For me this is actually a no-brainer.
No question in my mind that the SIG is the nicer of the two to shoot, but *for actual carry* I still prefer the Walther, just because its quite a bit lighter.0 -
SIG hands down.
As for how a gun 'fits your hand', don't go by what you can tell while standing at the gunshop counter. Put it through the paces on the range while using a timer. The proof is actually in the pudding, not your head.0 -
Forgot to mention that the Walther has an ambidextrous lever mag release. Its a little unconventional, but fairly intuitive to use, so I'd say unless you're lefty, there isn't much advantage.
quote:Originally posted by Txs
SIG hands down.
As for how a gun 'fits your hand', don't go by what you can tell while standing at the gunshop counter. Put it through the paces on the range while using a timer. The proof is actually in the pudding, not your head.
I largely agree with this, with a few caveats:
First (and most important) you might not get the chance to wring out a gun at the range before buying it, let alone "Pepsi challenge" two different guns side by side against a timer!
Its unlikely that if you DON'T like how a gun feels in your hand at the shop that your opinion is going to change at the range. While the converse is true (you might not like how a gun shoots even if you like how it feels at the store), I think how it feels empty in your hand is still a good "screen".
Also, there are ways to change the feel of a gun: new grips, grip sleeve, or (in the case of the Walther) different insert. So just "feel" the first time you pick up the gun isn't the bottom line; you might be able to alter that a bit.
Lastly, even assuming you like the feel of a particular gun and can shoot it well, there is still more to it than that. You have to like the action type, be able to easily work the controls, and (assuming you're going to carry it) have the gun be something you'd likely carry.
Per the shooters original question: "I want a gun I can be accurate with and be able to unload quick if the situation arises" I think either gun could work, but for pure shooting speed, the SIG is the winner. Carryability? IMO, Walther.0 -
SIG, hands down the better choice. The decocking system on the P-99 is unique and not instinctive where the SIG is above the thumb of the right hand were shooters commonly find the safety. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 62fuelie
SIG, hands down the better choice. The decocking system on the P-99 is unique and not instinctive where the SIG is above the thumb of the right hand were shooters commonly find the safety.
Walther P99 decocking system becomes "instinctive" once you practice with it a bit (same as SIG controls, 1911 controls, Glock, or any others).
Personally I have no problem running the decocker on this pistol with my right thumb. I don't see a slight bit of extra "work" in reaching the decocker to be a disadvantage, since it reduces the chance of me hitting it by mistake.
To me the "weirdest" thing about the Walther isn't the decocker, its the anti-stress trigger system. But again, it becomes fairly instinctive if you practice with it a bit, and if you don't like it, you don't have to use it.
With the p228/229 the slide release lever is located to the rear of the decocking safety, exactly the opposite of the arrangement on most typical pistols. (IE the slide release and safety are reversed).
Some individuals who are accustomed to the traditional "1911" control arrangement find that they instinctively hit the slide release instead of the decocking lever (and vice versa). The first thing isn't really a catastrophe (since presumably the gun is already in battery when you try this).
But hitting the decocking safety (which acts as takedown lever) by mistake instead of releasing the slide could be problematic!
Of course these issues assume you're accustomed to using a 1911-like platform to begin with. Many shooters are not. If you are, and like that control scheme, why not then just get a 1911 gun instead?
Presumably, if you're getting a SIG or Walther, you want something OTHER than a 1911, and you're willing to train with what you have to learn how to use it properly.
In any case, if you don't like the control system or can't easily operate the controls, those are good reasons to pick something else.0 -
quote:Originally posted by beantownshootah
Its unlikely that if you DON'T like how a gun feels in your hand at the shop that your opinion is going to change at the range.My point was that how a gun feels isn't what's important, it's how it performs for you. Same as with a particular technique the first time you try it.
I've had more than one gun that just plain didn't feel good to me right out of the chute. My mind was made up that they wouldn't work out for me, but was willing to at least give them a fair chance. After seeing how well I shot with them I began to use them on a regualr basis and they later came to feel 'right' to me.
For example, initially I hated the feel of what's now been my go-to pistol for the past ten years. I just couldn't argue with the results and learned to like it.
People aren't doing themselves any favors by discounting a particular firearm because it doesn't seem comfortable the first time they pick it up. 'Feel' is actually just something in your head - and it can change.0
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