new vs. used brass
Have any of you noticed appreciable differences in accuracy when using new vs. used brass for your loading/reloading?
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new brass or fired brass..as long as it is in good condition, fired brass is just as good and saves on reloading costs..
reloads for carry?..yes, as long as you know what you are doing while reloading and shoot these same loads at the range, and feel you can do as good a job or better then a factory machine loading thousands of rounds an hour, why not.
If you think using reloaded ammo to protect your life in a life or death situation will make you the bad guy , don't use reloads, or any other bullet that can due the job properly.
Please ..anyone who says that you will be prosecuted or blamed in some way for using reloads, give us specific cases in which this happened ,where, when, and outcome so we all will be properly informed to make our decision .
Quoting unknown sources and unsubstantiated stories helps no one.
The truth is out there...but what is it?0 -
quote:Originally posted by TANK78Z
new brass or fired brass..as long as it is in good condition, fired brass is just as good and saves on reloading costs..
reloads for carry?..yes, as long as you know what you are doing while reloading and shoot these same loads at the range, and feel you can do as good a job or better then a factory machine loading thousands of rounds an hour, why not.
If you think using reloaded ammo to protect your life in a life or death situation will make you the bad guy , don't use reloads, or any other bullet that can due the job properly.
Please ..anyone who says that you will be prosecuted or blamed in some way for using reloads, give us specific cases in which this happened ,where, when, and outcome so we all will be properly informed to make our decision .
Quoting unknown sources and unsubstantiated stories helps no one.
The truth is out there...but what is it?
why does there have to be a case where it's happened for it to be a valid argument? The point is, the argument could be made, and IF it is made then you have more work to do. Potentially, it could not be overcome for any of a host of reasons, not the least of which is ignorant and gun scared jury members.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by TANK78Z
new brass or fired brass..as long as it is in good condition, fired brass is just as good and saves on reloading costs..
reloads for carry?..yes, as long as you know what you are doing while reloading and shoot these same loads at the range, and feel you can do as good a job or better then a factory machine loading thousands of rounds an hour, why not.
If you think using reloaded ammo to protect your life in a life or death situation will make you the bad guy , don't use reloads, or any other bullet that can due the job properly.
Please ..anyone who says that you will be prosecuted or blamed in some way for using reloads, give us specific cases in which this happened ,where, when, and outcome so we all will be properly informed to make our decision .
Quoting unknown sources and unsubstantiated stories helps no one.
The truth is out there...but what is it?
why does there have to be a case where it's happened for it to be a valid argument? The point is, the argument could be made, and IF it is made then you have more work to do. Potentially, it could not be overcome for any of a host of reasons, not the least of which is ignorant and gun scared jury members.
X-RING[8] Remember, our beloved countymen voted for our current president. never underestimate the liberal mindset.[V]0 -
quote:Originally posted by rabump199
Anyone reload 9mm, I have brass and steel from range days. I usually recycle it but will collect it for a giveaway if it has a calling.
That is a mighty fine offer.
I think it was lost in the other highjack of this thread around the subject of being sued for using "hot" loads.
I have personally left thousands of once fired 9mm brass on the ground. I suggest you start a new thread to see if anyone is interested. If they are, I'd be willing to drop a couple of handfulls in my range bag for you to share in a giveaway.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by TANK78Z
new brass or fired brass..as long as it is in good condition, fired brass is just as good and saves on reloading costs..
reloads for carry?..yes, as long as you know what you are doing while reloading and shoot these same loads at the range, and feel you can do as good a job or better then a factory machine loading thousands of rounds an hour, why not.
If you think using reloaded ammo to protect your life in a life or death situation will make you the bad guy , don't use reloads, or any other bullet that can due the job properly.
Please ..anyone who says that you will be prosecuted or blamed in some way for using reloads, give us specific cases in which this happened ,where, when, and outcome so we all will be properly informed to make our decision .
Quoting unknown sources and unsubstantiated stories helps no one.
The truth is out there...but what is it?
why does there have to be a case where it's happened for it to be a valid argument? The point is, the argument could be made, and IF it is made then you have more work to do. Potentially, it could not be overcome for any of a host of reasons, not the least of which is ignorant and gun scared jury members.
I'd beg to differ that notion. If I were that traumtized by the notion of defending mydelf in a court of law ... I'd never shoot anyone for any reason ... and never carry ... cause I'd never shoot anyone anyway.
We could all go around not carrying ... or carrying rubber band guns or paintball guns ... and only use same after all parties get theri goggles and protective gear on properly!
That notion not being my reality, it does not matter what I load my handgun with. I'd not expect anyone to be testifying against me for shooting them. So most of this supposing this way or that, is not relevant to me. [^]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Alan Rushing
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by TANK78Z
new brass or fired brass..as long as it is in good condition, fired brass is just as good and saves on reloading costs..
reloads for carry?..yes, as long as you know what you are doing while reloading and shoot these same loads at the range, and feel you can do as good a job or better then a factory machine loading thousands of rounds an hour, why not.
If you think using reloaded ammo to protect your life in a life or death situation will make you the bad guy , don't use reloads, or any other bullet that can due the job properly.
Please ..anyone who says that you will be prosecuted or blamed in some way for using reloads, give us specific cases in which this happened ,where, when, and outcome so we all will be properly informed to make our decision .
Quoting unknown sources and unsubstantiated stories helps no one.
The truth is out there...but what is it?
why does there have to be a case where it's happened for it to be a valid argument? The point is, the argument could be made, and IF it is made then you have more work to do. Potentially, it could not be overcome for any of a host of reasons, not the least of which is ignorant and gun scared jury members.
I'd beg to differ that notion. If I were that traumtized by the notion of defending mydelf in a court of law ... I'd never shoot anyone for any reason ... and never carry ... cause I'd never shoot anyone anyway.
We could all go around not carrying ... or carrying rubber band guns or paintball guns ... and only use same after all parties get theri goggles and protective gear on properly!
That notion not being my reality, it does not matter what I load my handgun with. I'd not expect anyone to be testifying against me for shooting them. So most of this supposing this way or that, is not relevant to me. [^]
You've really had no experiences with lawyers, have you.[;)]0 -
I reload 9mm but only for practice ammo.
I'm in for the giveaway, thanks.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
do we have a consensus? reloads relegated to general plinking.
Sorry I missed this.
I see little difference in accuracy between new and once or several times fired brass.
My loads in virgin brass do not seem to quite as accurate as (at least) once fired brass.
I can not tell you why though.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by TANK78Z
new brass or fired brass..as long as it is in good condition, fired brass is just as good and saves on reloading costs..
reloads for carry?..yes, as long as you know what you are doing while reloading and shoot these same loads at the range, and feel you can do as good a job or better then a factory machine loading thousands of rounds an hour, why not.
If you think using reloaded ammo to protect your life in a life or death situation will make you the bad guy , don't use reloads, or any other bullet that can due the job properly.
Please ..anyone who says that you will be prosecuted or blamed in some way for using reloads, give us specific cases in which this happened ,where, when, and outcome so we all will be properly informed to make our decision .
Quoting unknown sources and unsubstantiated stories helps no one.
The truth is out there...but what is it?
why does there have to be a case where it's happened for it to be a valid argument? The point is, the argument could be made, and IF it is made then you have more work to do. Potentially, it could not be overcome for any of a host of reasons, not the least of which is ignorant and gun scared jury members.
Well, if my Aunt had balls, she'd be my Uncle....If you don't have at least ONE example of this being used in SUCCESSFULLY in court, please stop spreading unfounded rumors.0 -
If for some bizarre reason I got some brand new virgin brass (it has happened) It never is as accurate as the once fired from that gun. I won't use it to work up new loads till I've sent one down range.
The self defense legal argument depends on the load...
Just how it works in my world. You may be subject to a different reality0 -
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by TANK78Z
new brass or fired brass..as long as it is in good condition, fired brass is just as good and saves on reloading costs..
reloads for carry?..yes, as long as you know what you are doing while reloading and shoot these same loads at the range, and feel you can do as good a job or better then a factory machine loading thousands of rounds an hour, why not.
If you think using reloaded ammo to protect your life in a life or death situation will make you the bad guy , don't use reloads, or any other bullet that can due the job properly.
Please ..anyone who says that you will be prosecuted or blamed in some way for using reloads, give us specific cases in which this happened ,where, when, and outcome so we all will be properly informed to make our decision .
Quoting unknown sources and unsubstantiated stories helps no one.
The truth is out there...but what is it?
why does there have to be a case where it's happened for it to be a valid argument? The point is, the argument could be made, and IF it is made then you have more work to do. Potentially, it could not be overcome for any of a host of reasons, not the least of which is ignorant and gun scared jury members.
Well, if my Aunt had balls, she'd be my Uncle....If you don't have at least ONE example of this being used in SUCCESSFULLY in court, please stop spreading unfounded rumors.
it's not a rumor. It's a precaution.0 -
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
do we have a consensus? reloads relegated to general plinking.
Sorry I missed this.
I see little difference in accuracy between new and once or several times fired brass.
My loads in virgin brass do not seem to quite as accurate as (at least) once fired brass.
I can not tell you why though.
thanks.0 -
I carry reloads and don't think they are any more deadly than over the counter ammo. 0 -
I do reload and they are near accurate enough for all of my purposes: plinking, hunting and target.
I carry and with store-bought ammo: not for accuracy and not out of paranoia about attorneys that will circle in after a shooting.
I use store bought for carry, because that provides me a broader selection of loads for a variety of conditions and they all have substantial stopping potential.
I do not use those loads for plinking, practice, target nor hunting. (I hunt with bow or rifle anyway.)
Home deterrent is a slide 12 with varied loads ... and not used for hunting tiny, feathered tweety birds nor cute, little, furry, cuddly critters. So, I have no concern for the Federal Migratory Bird limits on the fair-chase, legal limits about the number of rounds in the gun!
To each there own ... got no bone to pick with others as to how they view it or how they do it. For me, my experiences, knowledge and environment ... that is the way I do things ... for now.
Found that some folks have little regard for pistols (~ one needs to be close to be of concern ~ ... I know that .44 mags will reach out quite a ways and touch ("not lightly").
Out of town, I had 12s, some folks figure that you need to be close to be effective with the 12s (even with mags!). OK, no problem I had a rifle or two or three.
I carried a pistol or two, had spare ammo with. Rig always had additional ammo, plus loaded 12 and a scoped rifle. For me ... I got by. Know that many others do it differently, but my way works for me, till now at least.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Have any of you noticed appreciable differences in accuracy when using new vs. used brass for your loading/reloading?
Mr. Perfect, you are probably too good to be true!
Coming about full circle back to your original posted question, my short answer is: ... "Yes"
My lengthier answer is: ... Have found the 1st load into my virgin brass to more consistent than store bought. Second and next several loads to be best or most accurate and consistent over all. I'd credit that to the consistency of the components and the loads from one to the other. Also each has been fire(d)formed in the same rifle chamber.
I know many folks do much better than I, but the most accurate shooting that I have ever accomplished is by doing most everything "right", doing a bunch of wishing, hoping and praying, holding my jaw just so and then having a whole bunch of luck all come together for me at that one brief period of time.0 -
Mr. Perfect-
For myself, my bench/varmint guns get virgin Lapua brass that's dedicated to a specific rifle. Yes the initial cost is a little steep and a little anal retentive but I have found the Cost Vs. Reward worth every penny. In terms of reward, I spend very little time having to do case prep and fiddle farting around. The reload ability far exceeds regular factory brass buy x4.
Just my 2 cents.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Alan Rushing
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Have any of you noticed appreciable differences in accuracy when using new vs. used brass for your loading/reloading?
Mr. Perfect, you are probably too good to be true!
Coming about full circle back to your original posted question, my short answer is: ... "Yes"
My lengthier answer is: ... Have found the 1st load into my virgin brass to more consistent than store bought. Second and next several loads to be best or most accurate and consistent over all. I'd credit that to the consistency of the components and the loads from one to the other. Also each has been fire(d)formed in the same rifle chamber.
I know many folks do much better than I, but the most accurate shooting that I have ever accomplished is by doing most everything "right", doing a bunch of wishing, hoping and praying, holding my jaw just so and then having a whole bunch of luck all come together for me at that one brief period of time.
Thank you Alan for your responses, both of them. How am I too good to be true??0 -
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
Mr. Perfect-
For myself, my bench/varmint guns get virgin Lapua brass that's dedicated to a specific rifle. Yes the initial cost is a little steep and a little anal retentive but I have found the Cost Vs. Reward worth every penny. In terms of reward, I spend very little time having to do case prep and fiddle farting around. The reload ability far exceeds regular factory brass buy x4.
Just my 2 cents.
I presume this is because of better performance (i.e. accuracy).0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Alan Rushing
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Have any of you noticed appreciable differences in accuracy when using new vs. used brass for your loading/reloading?
Mr. Perfect, you are probably too good to be true!
Coming about full circle back to your original posted question, my short answer is: ... "Yes"
My lengthier answer is: ... Have found the 1st load into my virgin brass to more consistent than store bought. Second and next several loads to be best or most accurate and consistent over all. I'd credit that to the consistency of the components and the loads from one to the other. Also each has been fire(d)formed in the same rifle chamber.
I know many folks do much better than I, but the most accurate shooting that I have ever accomplished is by doing most everything "right", doing a bunch of wishing, hoping and praying, holding my jaw just so and then having a whole bunch of luck all come together for me at that one brief period of time.
Thank you Alan for your responses, both of them. How am I too good to be true??
You post interesting questions ... and you elicit interesting responses.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Alan Rushing
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Alan Rushing
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Have any of you noticed appreciable differences in accuracy when using new vs. used brass for your loading/reloading?
Mr. Perfect, you are probably too good to be true!
Coming about full circle back to your original posted question, my short answer is: ... "Yes"
My lengthier answer is: ... Have found the 1st load into my virgin brass to more consistent than store bought. Second and next several loads to be best or most accurate and consistent over all. I'd credit that to the consistency of the components and the loads from one to the other. Also each has been fire(d)formed in the same rifle chamber.
I know many folks do much better than I, but the most accurate shooting that I have ever accomplished is by doing most everything "right", doing a bunch of wishing, hoping and praying, holding my jaw just so and then having a whole bunch of luck all come together for me at that one brief period of time.
Thank you Alan for your responses, both of them. How am I too good to be true??
You post interesting questions ... and you elicit interesting responses.
well thank you very much for your kind words. I always enjoy your posts to every thread I have seen them on.0
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